Christian Values Lead to Happier Marriages

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut. I cited where the study can be found and analyze. If you're going to dismiss it merely on who authored it that's character assassination indicating a close mind.

I liken it to myself ignoring anything an atheist says simply because they are non believers. I've learned a lot from unbelievers.

 

I think that your measure of Brigham Young is more a measure of what's in your heart than in his. And of course it does nothing to eclipse the general gross wickedness, promiscuousness, immorality, and deviancy in society. FWIW, in the end, Jesus Christ will marry his whole Church, being wedded and sealed to every man, woman, and child within. What does your heart tell you about this. Does it evince perversion and exclusivity?

 

Is Jesus Christ going to have sexual relations with all these people? Also, isn’t marriage a covenant between a man and a woman and it can’t be anything else? Just asking for a friend

 

Can you provide an example of something you learned from a non believer?

 

Marriage is sacred. But Jesus Christ did say we must be born again. What do you know of Brigham Young or his Wives. Were they consummations or just sealings. He had children from 16 Wives, all of whom chose to be wedded to him. At the time, polygamy was a commandment from God for worthy men and women to enter into. Do you know the mind and will of God, that he didn't call for this arrangement? At least Young and his Wives got married, providing for and raising their children in a loving home with good values.

 

Right. Like say a study from the Nazi party about Jews would have any veracity.

 

I would have to read it to determine its validity. The Nazis did some evil things, but that doesn't mean they were always wrong about anything.

 

What my heart tells me is the Mark of Cain claim concerning black people is a historical racist stain against institutions promoting that claim. Do black people have the mark of Cain? Yes or no. My heart also tells me that a man with 57 wives was practicing deviancy and to name a University after a man with 57 wives is supporting deviancy. Now time for the usual statement that people make to defend religion and stuff like this which is something like, well it was different then. Which of course it was not.

 

They certainly could never be viewed as objective.

 

I would say he provided for his wives the same way Warrent Jeffs did. With other peoples money. Did God ever command women to have multiple husbands?

 

You're still referring to the character of the one supplying the report rather than the report itself. You don't see how that's character assassination?

 

At breif glance, this one provided earlier doesn't appear to have a religious tie:
Re-Examining the Link Between Premarital Sex and Divorce - Jesse Smith, Nicholas H. Wolfinger, 2023 (sagepub.com)

It seems likely to me that some people are just not emotionally compatible with monogamy, which would explain this link between multiple partners (including premarital sex with other than the eventual spouse) and increased rate of divorce.

Personally I think being truly, emotionally devoted to just one person is more likely a sign of an unhealthy emotional dependence which also will eventually destabilize most marriages. Successful marriages seem to be between folks who are attracted to people outside the marriage, but not so much so that ignoring the attraction is so burdonsome that it creates resentment within the marriage, and the benefits of monogamy (mostly financial and logistic) outweigh the emotional benefits of 'having what I want when I want it.' As with many other things in society, it really just comes down to how able one is to sacrifice what they want now for something better in the future.

 

I really don’t know much of anything about Brigham Young and even if he had questionable morality, that doesn’t necessarily mean a university named after him or founded by him is biased in its research.

I just wanted to know about the marriage between Jesus and all these people.

But now I am curious about these 16 wives. How old were they? How old was he when he married them? What other options did they have?

I feel like I need to watch a documentary about this now.

 

Watch the Netflix documentary about Warrent Jeffs, who demonstrated the old school approach.
https://www.netflix.com/title/81292539

 

Well, what is justified by God doesn't become derogatory by men though they may judge it to be. So whether God marries his Church or tells worthy men and women to practice polygamy. Neither instance is intrinsically immoral. I'm not too familiar with polygamy other than that it began, then the USA criminalized it, and the LDS Church ceased it according to the law. Joseph Smith had a number of Wives in ages from about fifteen to seventy two, when he was in his early thirties. A good number of them were sealings more so than traditional marriages. It's all kind of strange to me. In fact, all of Christianity is strange in an objective sense. Virgin birth of God, resurrection, baptism, receiving gift of holy ghost, partaking of the sacrament, doing right and good things even when you just don't feel like it. It all runs contrary to secularism.

 

Jeffs isn't a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He's a member of a breakaway Church.

 

Jeffs has never been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ LDS. So unlike the original command of polygamy which was sanctioned by God and ended in the LDS Church. Jeffs Church practices it all on their own, being severed or broken away from the Church established by Joseph Smith.

 

I think it’s repugnant to people today because it’s a reminder of ancient morality in which women are kept as property, slaves. Also, 15 is a young age to decide to be with an old guy for the rest of your life even if there is no consummation (or perhaps especially if there is no consummation). The first thing I think is that these girls are being groomed to this life at a young age and are making the decision without knowing all the options. We tend to think of those kind of movements as being cults due to the dedication to one guy who gets all the benefits.

 

The Mormon logic = no sex before marriage but a guy can have multiple wives.

 

So what did Jeffs do differently than the church did as run by Birgham Young? Given the fact that that are about as many women as men, if Joseph Smith had 40 wifes did 39 men then have no wife or no sex? How did that work?

 

There are those whom God elects, and those who presume to elect themselves. Jesus said: "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock." Matthew 7:22-24

Jeffs and the Church to which he belongs, operates outside the authority of the LDS Church, and outside the authority of the law of the USA. When the LDS Church first instituted polygamy, there were no laws against it. An earlier commandment thru Joseph Smith from God was to obey the laws of the land. Members believe these commandments to have come from God. But then the USA passed a law against polygamy. So the LDS Church was forced to comply and end the practice. The LDS leadership officially ended it. But some members broke away, keeping the practice, and formed their own Church. This is the Church into which Jeffs was born.

 

Well, to be fair to @yardmeat, he did use the term "propaganda"

 

Yeah, leftists have their own special ideas about what such words mean.

 

Was Jesus a "leftist"?

 

And how do you tell the difference between those whom God elects and those who elect themselves. I would presume that they both claim that God elected threm? Can those elected by God perform miracles to demonstrate their authority?