EVERY pregnancy causes women harm....some irreparable and painful....being FORCED to gestate because abortion is banned is a cruel punishment when no crime has been committed......exactly what Anti-Choicers want for women......that's sick.... Why? AND YOU: "It is based on the principle that human life must be preserved, which itself is based on the right to life."" (Post 4862) WHY don't those fetuses have a right to life????
No one is killing babies... Trying to be emotional and dramatic to prove a point? Try facts instead ...maybe for once
To Anti-choicers women having consensual sex IS THE crime. That's why they make exceptions to abortion if the woman was raped...
What happens isn't instant. People don't just pack up and move when the state threatens them. What happens is that women's healthcare deteriorates and medical education moves to use other states for OB/GYN training and practice.
As stated many times, legislatures can't make laws that create a bright line on that question. Remember? It's like, how much risk must a woman incur? How deprecated must a fetus be? Who measures these percentages? Who decides if it is rape or incest? Etc.
FoxHastings said: ↑ To Anti-choicers women having consensual sex IS THE crime. That's why they make exceptions to abortion if the woman was raped... The entire quote with NO cherry picking LOL, of course they have never come right out and HONESTLY admitted it! BUT it's obvious when they make an exception for rape. A fetus is either "an innocent life" (according to Anti-Choicers) or it isn't.....being a product of rape doesn't make it less of an "innocent life", it committed no crime. And forcing a woman to gestate because she had consensual sex IS saying she committed a crime and must be punished. Just because YOU can't admit all this doesn't make it untrue.
Why? AND YOU: "It is based on the principle that human life must be preserved, which itself is based on the right to life."" (Post 4862) WHY don't those fetuses have a right to life????
That is the entire foundation of the whole anti-abortion argument. Some are more explicit than others, but claiming no one has ever said that is a bit wild when this very thread is full of such arguments and this sub as a whole has thousands of them. "If you don't want pregnancy, don't have sex" is something I am sure even you have uttered.
All abortions are protecting a woman's life. Of course, as a Conservative, you view life as merely bding alive meaning you view human life as no different from that of bacteria. But, what kind of life is a human really living if they themselves cannot exercise their liberty to dictate it and pursue their own happiness?
FoxHastings said: ↑ To Anti-choicers women having consensual sex IS THE crime. That's why they make exceptions to abortion if the woman was raped... Well, they're just as evil but at least they aren't hypocrites like those who would make an exception for rape.
It certainly doesn't support it. And the Bible says: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." Abortion is not a right. The only thing which was making it a 'right' in the past, was the Roe v Wade decision, which has now been overturned.
Protecting it from what, if not harm or death? Well no, because it turns out that bacteria is not actually human life. Try a better argument! That's no life at all. Thank God then that people, certainly in the superior West, CAN exercise their liberty to dictate it and pursue their own happiness! It's great!
Sure I do. But I am looking for a definition which supports @FoxHastings's belief -- and yours too I guess -- that the life is only a "baby" when it leaves the mother. What a HILARIOUS idea that is!
Ah, that's a nice TWIST of the argument that you have 'strawmanned' up there! Yes, you are correct, I have indeed uttered that exact line, if not something pretty close to it. I have quoted the post which I replied to. Maybe you can see how it differs to what you have manufactured.
Well, for the simple reason that I don't want the kid to suffer a painful death. They do, but that doesn't mean that they should suffer a painful death. For the life to continue in these circumstances is worse than the life NOT continuing. It's no different to turning off someone's life support. People do not NEED to lose their right to life in order for their life to be brought to an end in these cases.
It's not "forcing", and we're NOT saying that the consensual sex is a crime for which she should be punished.
I'm not asking about legislatures making laws, I'm asking for YOUR opinion: are you including purely elective abortion as "care" that is being denied to women. Or is it only "care" when it is protecting the woman's life?
No, I mean that women should be being denied life saving abortion everyday, at least hundreds of times, if the problem is as significant as you say it is.
WHY TF would a kid whose father is a rapist suffer a painful death ??? BOY ARE YOU STRETCHING TO NOT ADMIT YOUR ERROR Inventing things ...imagining things ....so funny. WHY TF would a kid whose father is a rapist suffer a painful death ??? LOL What a jumbled piece of dodging baloney
