Fascism and banning free thought in Florida

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Folks, was it fascist when that NYC professor shut down the pro life students?

    Was it fascist when Obama threatened to withhold money from schools if they didn't comply with his bathroom rules?

    Is it fascist for the government to restrict or take away our gun rights?

    Was it fascist to lock people down, restrict their movements and arrest people during the china virus all while democrat leaders ignored their own mandates?

    Was it fascist for the government to tell private companies to censor people?

    I could go on for a while, but you get the idea and that idea is fascism if ok when the left approves of it.

    So a book can't be in a school, big friggin deal. The parents can get that book for the kid at home. Problem solved unless someone just wants to throw around the latest progressive buzz words they were told to spout.

    The left is doing everything imaginable to imitate the Nazis, and they do that even as they call other people Nazis.

    Hey libs, this country has a lot of problems right now, but what you're focused on is a book. Think about that.
     
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  2. MelshieMaze

    MelshieMaze Well-Known Member

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    Do they now?
     
  3. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Again, see definition of a state.

    “A state is a centralized political organization that imposes and enforces rules over a population within a territory. There is no undisputed definition of a state.[1][2] One widely used definition comes from the German sociologist Max Weber: a "state" is a polity that maintains a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence, although other definitions are not uncommon.[3][4] “ WIKI, State (polity)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)#cite_note-salmon-2008-4

    A public school is a sate run school. DeSantis can crack down on government schools to his heart's content with the enthusiastic support of most Florida voters.
    All the DP squealing just expands the DeSantis base.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    It never fails to amuse me, and well, make me queasy and sick, when I see folks like the OP run with a narrative that is so obviously, demonstrably false. But for folks, like the author of the OP, these little digs are easy to fling out, and will then forever be their version of the truth as they see it. So, Folks like the OP will launch these smears, doing so knowing that they are just smears, and the end will be a record that they will then point back to as if having created it creates a "fact" that can then be used as a cudgel.... Typical.

    So, we know the attack here is false, and that the evidence doesn't suggest that the laws in FL have created this fascism as it is being described. Total BS from the OP
     
  5. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Really? You don't know?

    A short list of books banned by government schools within the last 50 years:

    The Color Purple, The Grapes of Wrath, To kill a Mockingbird, The Lord of The Flies, Beloved, 1984, The Call of The Wild, A Separate Peace.
     
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  6. MelshieMaze

    MelshieMaze Well-Known Member

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    And what they all have in common is you'd think we'd know better than to ban something, just 'cause there's a precedent doesn't suddenly make it okay for him to do it and yet DeSantis is still doing it regardless because he can, not for the kids, but because he can.
     
  7. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I read three of those in school. I am not damaged.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It doesn't matter anymore. The good ones have to also suffer because the bad ones are giving them a bad rep. Cops have to deal with this all the time so teachers should not be crying over it. Too many reports of teachers hiding gender "identity" from the parents of CHILDREN. Too many videos out there of teachers bragging because their 2nd grade student thought it was "COOL" that they were non-binary. Too many reports of CRT telling CHILDREN they are "oppressed".
    Did you think only people on the right were going to suffer when the left started doing all this crazy stuff? Time to sleep in that bed ya'll made!!!!
     
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  9. Ddyad

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    IOW, you know that censorship is the raison d'etre of government education but you expect DeSantis to take a political hit for banning material that most parents would not let their children read?

    This controversy is a win win for DeSantis, and he clearly needs all the help he can get.
     
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    Me too, but so what?
     
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  11. MelshieMaze

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    It's not just the book banning issues, it's also him trying to pick a fight with Disney and also him trying so hard to defeat "wokeness" that he's making it legal for doctors to legally discriminate in who they treat.
     
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    The fight with Disney will also help him nationally. May cost him some votes in Florida -- probably not.
    Disney, like all Big Businesses now frightens the public.
     
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  13. MelshieMaze

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    It's a waste of money on his part because Disney's lawyers don't **** around, but then it's his money and funding. He can do what he wants.
     
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    Votes have always been expensive in the US. IMO, Bob Iger is just buying votes for DeSantis.
     
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  15. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No! What I call banning is banning. You don't "adjust" a poem that somebody else wrote
     
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  16. Bullseye

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    No but you adjust access to it; e.g. for older children. AS Florida has done.
     
  17. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It matters a lot!

    What "bad ones"? Show a SINGLE case of a teacher "grooming" children by showing them a Disney movie! Anywhere in the world!

    This is getting out of hand. And it is nothing short of SICK the way the right accuses teachers because they think it scores them some sort of political point. One teacher is in trouble because she presented an animated Disney movie and now they want her head. Teachers don't know what to do. They are being required to look through films that experts have deemed appropriate and make a judgement on whether any character might appear too afeminate for a male, or too masculine for a female.. They need to be called out for what they are: sick individuals. I don't know what kind of infancy people who think like this had, and I'm sorry if they went through some sort of inappropriate experience, but they don't need to make it everybody else's problem. They just need to seek professional help!
     
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  18. Bullseye

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    Wrong again. Parents are protesting because the material being taught isn't preparing kids for advancing their education or becoming productive citizens.
    Or performs oral sex on another character, or teaches them how to perform oral or anal sex. :eek:

    You might want to look at the teachers and other in the educational hierarchy; There's a reason they want to keep what goes on in school from the parents. IF kids were performing better on basic skills, e.g. math, language, science, there would be less of a problem, but to many "educators" are teaching kid stuff, that the teacher prefaces by "don't tell your parents".
     
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    Apparently you don’t know what fascism is, so let me clue you in: fascism is right wing authoritarianism. Everything Democrats and the left do is democratic. The public can protest and challenge it. But with fascism there is no democracy, no protest, no challenge. For example, it turns out that the book bans are initiated and pushed by just 11 people. ELEVEN! No one gets to challenge it because of fascist authoritarianism from the governor and his gang. But 10 MILLION people can’t get any guns banned because democracy is being replaced by fascism. That is what fascism is Stevie. Do you wonder?
     
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  20. Kode

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    Parents aren’t protesting material being taught. JUST ELEVEN PEOPLE are protesting and directing all the book banning.
    https://crooksandliars.com/2023/05/post-just-11-people-filed-most-book-bans

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/05/23/lgbtq-book-ban-challengers/

    https://www.rawstory.com/book-ban-2660547890/

    Teachers??? I know of one case. The proper response to that is the firing of the teacher, minimum. Not a ban on all mention of sex. This country has turned the corner and is now certifiable!
     
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  21. Golem

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    So now we have an Adjustment Bureau in Florida. The Adjustment Bureau that adjusted Disney's freedom of speech. The same Adjustment Bureau that adjusts what movies are allowed to show, no matter what the PARENTS think.

    The Big Adjuster is now running for President to bring his Adjustment Bureau nationwide. Make the fascist DeSantis President and he will adjust what you can read, or what you can say, or what you can see,... and adjust woman to force them to carry a child against their will.
     
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  22. Bullseye

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    Nope.
    Total nonsense.
    You're just blathering nonsense. Obviously you have nothing of value to offer.
     
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    No one has banned a damn thing. You can if you wish buy all the gay porn you want in Florida they just aren't sticking age inappropriate material in grade school libraries.
     
  24. Kode

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    You’re right this time, Bullseye. There is no adjustment to the insanity in Florida. No Adjustment Bureau. No Common Sense Bureau. No Democracy Bureau. DeSantis’ chosen Criminals write up a law, DeSantis signs it into law, and there’s no questioning it. That’s how fascism works!
     
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    Yup, and DeSantis and 11 other people decide what is “age inappropriate”. Professional educators must toe the line and there is no democracy involved. That is how fascism works!
     
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