Fascism and banning free thought in Florida

No, I feel sorry for YOU. You take one case of crime and want to use it as an excuse to affect the lives of thousands, as though it will prevent such crimes in the future. You’re not satisfied with criminal prosecution.

What will you do when one more criminal rapes a woman in a parking lot? ….. ban parking lots?

This is why/how you righties are screwing up the whole country. You take a back-assward approach to law and fail to solve the problem.

 

I think we can see just in this thread that the thinking of some people is horribly screwed up. The problem is that somehow they have managed to get control of the nation.

 

Call it what it is... Democracy. The voters like DeSantis policies so much that they re-elected him in a landslide. If they share your concerns, they will vote him out.

My elementary school never got Hustler or Penthouse, they were banned. Everybody supports book banning in their kids schools, the only question is which books they support banning. For example, many progressives support banning the Bible in school libraries and there are many public schools in America where the Bible is banned from their libraries. In any event, ubiquitous access to the internet has made access to information easier than ever.... although internet search engines are increasingly censoring that information.

My teachers never used words like "gender identity" or "gay" and never showed a movie including gay characters. I survived and became a productive tax-paying citizen. The purpose of public school is not to propagandize humans against their normal sexual function. Becoming gay or transgender is an invitation is to remove your genes from the gene pool. It is not good for society to grow this segment of its population, it is an actual threat to long term civilization. WE NEED CHILDREN. Instead of teaching that it is great to be gay or transgender, schools should be teaching children that it is great to be straight, married and to have offspring.

 

Jonathan Friedman, the director of the Free Expression and Education program for PEN America, a free speech organization that tracks book challenges, agreed.

“To our knowledge, objections to the Bible in the last year have occurred as a reaction to efforts to ban so many books,” Friedman said. “In each case where it was banned, it seems to have been inadvertent, and the decision was, to our knowledge, reversed.”

But in one Missouri district, the Bible was removed temporarily to check its compliance with a state law, amid more than 200 other books. That is not common, Caldwell-Stone said, but isn’t surprising given the new trend in mass book bans across the country.

“When you choose censorship as your tool for controlling access to information and controlling individuals’ ability to learn more about various ideas,” she said, “inevitably it’s going to sweep up ideas and materials that you actually agree with.”
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-lea...MI_r-36LGV_wIVgHNvBB3MFQ_REAAYASAAEgKedPD_BwE

I think you fail to understand the nature and purpose of FL's book banning campaign lead by miniTrump.

 

Did you read the essay I linked to?

Professor Rushton's university has disowned him and his assertions. They have not disproved his assertions, because they cannot.

 

Then you missed it.

 

Yes I read it. Sufficiently anyway. You said liberals would demand the firing of any teacher who taught that theory. I asked how you know they would make such a demand. You say it’s in the linked article.

There is no occurrence of the word “liberal” in the article. So on what basis do you make your claim?

 

Nope. No such proof has been given. I think it is obvious that the problem with education is, and has always been, that the goal has been the education/indoctrination of students with the concepts and principles that the ruling class and their government wants for their own ends. It has not been for the purpose of educating students to be good, knowledgeable, capable citizens and people.

Businesses once needed workers who could read and write, add and subtract, so that is what schools taught. They were quite open about it. They said they were preparing students to get jobs paying better wages and to play a role in growing industry. Then industry move forward and needed workers who could program computers, so data processing became the big thing. Today, with the capacity utilization standing at about 78% industry is able to produce an abundance of goods but to keep profits up they create artificial “shortages”. And therefore they don’t need educated workers so much as they did. So we now see a prohibitive rise in education debt and we see government and “experts” saying college isn’t necessary.

So what else do we see? An interesting question!

Let’s recall that when I was a kid in the late 50s and 60s one worker in a family of four like mine was able to support that family on the income of a tool salesman in a lumber yard/hardware store. AND that income was enough to send kids to college and graduate with little or no debt.

Then women’s lib came along. Women wanted a career out of the house. Household incomes suddenly surged. Lifestyles surged. And how did industry respond to this? They responded as capitalist always do. They extracted as much of the gains as they could. Wages stagnated while inflation continued, and eventually two incomes were needed in order to support a family of four in the manner to which they were accustomed.

Then came the computer age and there were great predictions of how computers were going to change society. It was said that labor would be less needed and workers would be able to work a 4-day week for the same income as they earned for a 5-day week at the time. And how did industry respond to this? They responded as capitalists do, again. They again extracted as much of the gains as they could. Profits rose on the basis of automation but the worker realized little of any gains.

Now with IT, automation, and technology, capacity utilization is about 78% and education is not valued by the capitalist or his captive government. And what little labor they need they want to pay less for. They now want child labor brought back. And when they get it we all know they will say that children’s labor isn’t worth what an adult’s labor is, so they will pay the kids the least they can while they let adults’ wages stagnate again because they won’t need all that labor power. So again, the capitalist will take as much of the gains as they can and the living standard of the people will again decline.

And to enforce the new lower standards and control the outrage and resistance in the streets, the capitalist class and their captive government needs authoritarian rule and lots of prison space. So Trump and DeSantis show up to answer the call. History also teaches clearly that an uneducated population is far easier to control than an educated one. So they down-play education and make it very expensive. Hence it is mostly the rich whose kids get education. And why? Because as time passes an increasing profit margin is more and more difficult to obtain.

This is called a “downward spiral”.
For profit.

We’re headed for very hard times folks.

 

Yeah, whatever. It's not like you lefties go off the rails at every little bump you perceive was GOP-caused.

 

I take your lack of any attempt at a refutation as an admission that I was correct, which I was.

Moving right along . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

As usual, a left making an incorrect assumption.

 

Gee sounds a lot like leftist gun control arguments.

 

Another reason why no one should trust leftist math and history. The high taxes of the fifties did what such things always do concentrate wealth and power in the hands of those who shouldn't have it, the government. Oh and the education problem you decry was created by progressive under Dewey and Roosevelt.

 

More proof that the government run education system is an obsolete failure -- a boondoggle.

And you seem to know that: "... education is not valued by the capitalist or his captive government." Kode

A quick effect reform would transfer control of the entire education budget to the control of the people who do value education -- first to the parents and guardians of children and then to the teachers -- no middlemen.

 

Here we go, in this section:

And, yes, we are far from polished, far from pristine, but that doesn't mean we are striving to form a union that is perfect, we are striving to forge a union with purpose, to compose a country committed to all cultures, colors, characters, and conditions of man.

So we lift our gazes not to what stands between us, but what stands before us. We close the divide because we know to put our future first, we must first put our differences aside. We lay down our arms so we can reach out our arms to one another, we seek harm none and harmony for all.
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That's anti- Second Amendment.

 

No its not.

 

The way it was before the progressives decided they should control everything.

 

The highly acclaimed, 4th most banned or challenged book in the country:















Video interview w/ Ali Velshi
https://www.yahoo.com/video/velshibannedbookclub-darkness-ashley-hope-p-210637522.html



https://www.npr.org/2022/12/14/1142428557/ashley-hope-perez-on-out-of-darkness-book-ban

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These "wins" happen even without official bans. Formal censorship becomes unnecessary once bullying, threats and disruption shake educators' focus from students. The result is soft censorship. For example, a librarian reads an outstanding review of a book that would serve someone in their school, but they don't order it out of fear of controversy. This is the internalization of the banners' agenda. The effects of soft censorship are pervasive, pernicious and very difficult to document.

The needs of all students matter, not just those whose lives and identities line up with what book banners think is acceptable. Young people have a right to the resources and stories that help them mature, learn and understand their world in all its diversity. They need more opportunities, not fewer, to experience deep imaginative engagement and the empathy it inspires. We've had enough "banner" years. I hope 2023 returns the focus to young people and their right to read.

Ashley Hope Pérez, author of three novels for young adults, is a former high school English teacher and an assistant professor in the Department of Comparative Studies at The Ohio State University. Find her on Twitter and Instagram or LinkT.
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In-depth Review of the novel

 

Sounds nice. Sell it to the Ukrainians.

 

Many who apparently believe they are "progressives" no longer know eve the most fundamental concepts that believe system is based on.

“... Secondly, the state is a special force for suppression.’ Engels gives this splendid and extremely profound definition here with the utmost clarity.” The State and Revolution, VI Lenin, Penguin, 1992, pp. 17, 18.

Amnesia seems to be a common side effect of partisan political expediency.

 

This is such a load of bull. Who are the true fascists and banner of books?

Public schools are! They choose what to stock and what not to stock under the radar and when a parent realizes these people in power over books are making inappropriate choices, parents use their voice as they should in a free society.

Fascism is when government alone makes the choices. How many school librarians have included Rush Limbaugh's set of award winning best selling children's books that depicted our true history? I can assure you those books are "banned" by schools until a parent fights for their inclusion. Trying to find ANY history book that doesn't demonize our ancestors is a true struggle. They simply are not ordered by librarians.

Banning is done by public school officials who designate THEMSELVES as the decison-makers and exclude input from parents until the parents realize what kids are being asked to read. Public schools are the true fascists and parents are rightfully fighting against their fascism.

 

While I don't know if you are concerned about such things-- your reply doesn't logically follow, from my post. This thread is about a poem that was banned, from a school library. Because of freedom of speech, whether or not one agrees with an idea, or even if one sees a certain perspective as a poor one to espouse, should have no bearing on its being banned. So that is one way that you answer is non sequitur.

Secondly, the poem was about healing the divisions between our own countrymen. Therefore, the idea of putting down our arms and, instead, reaching out our arms to help one another, was meant symbolically; it was not a literal call to get rid of firearms.

A third reason that your response was inapplicable, is that I had, of course, been being facetious; the objectionable line, it must be assumed, had not been the one about giving one another, a helping hand, instead of the finger, or a fist. I had been trying to parody the way that some people seem to read everything, as relating to trying to "take away our guns."

In my current thread about the 11 year old black boy, shot by an apparently overly jumpy cop, one poster had apparently been saying that the only reason that people were badmouthing the cop, or pointing to this as yet another example of systemic, racially- biased, police attitudes, towards the black community, was because they were all "gun banners (i.e., people whose sole intention, whenever guns play any part in a conversation, is to put forth an argument with only one, ultimate intention: to eventually lead to the removal of the guns of all citizens of our country). It is just such a perspective, at which my comment had intended to poke fun. So, once more, your comment about Ukraine would in no way apply.

 

"We lay down our arms so we can reach out our arms to one another, we seek harm none and harmony for all."
"That's anti- Second Amendment." Yours

IOW, my response was right on point. Sell that to the Ukrainians.

Banned books?

The Inconvenient Truth: Government schools = Censorship.

 

You have a weird and completely misguided idea of what democracy means. Banning books, punishing free speech, impeding parental rights, women rights, voting rights, civil rights, gay rights.... none of that is democracy. Makes no difference how the despot came to power. What matters is that the rights of We The People are being curtailed.

 

You'll have to give a concrete example, like I did in the OP. Projection alone is not going to persuade anybody to take your post seriously.