Ohio voters reject measure aimed at blocking abortion rights amendment

That's pure campaign rhetoric bullshit. There is NOTHING fascist about the United States, and you best hope that never changes, because if it ever got anywhere near as bad as you say it already is, you'd likely already be in some 'reeducation camp' somewhere. The definition doesn't fit. Period.

 

I haven't heard a single person say that. What they've said is that it's not appropriate for children, a position I happen to agree with. But, once you are an adult, and as long as you aren't using taxpayer dollars, if you want an addadicktome or a dickectomy, go for it! I don't care what consenting adults do, but I don't think children have the wisdom and experience to make a fully informed decision on something this significant and serious, not to mention permanent and life-long.

 

Fission and fusion can make a lot of things, as can nuclear decay, chemistry, biology, and a lot of other things. We're not yet at the point that we're giving birth to quarks, assuming you have the first clue what that is, but it's not all that necessary. All we need to create life like us is a large star to go supernova beyond the fusion of iron state, fling all that material light years into space, and wait a few billion years for gravity to coalesce some of that stuff into a solar system, with a planet in the 'habitable zone' (which may or may not be necessary, since in our arrogance we assume all life has to be similar enough to us to need the same sorts of things we do, which may or may not be true), and for nature to do the rest. That's not to say this reality isn't designed, when you really look hard at the mysteries of quantum physics, it's telling us a story that our reality is actually simulated, which means it has rules, at least some of which we've figured out already. But it is us, all of us combined, at least for those slices of consciousnesses that inhabit earth and other places in this universe (keep in mind, the universe is EVERYTHING, not just the Milky Way), who did the designing and the creating, but not individually, collectively, as a part of Source. Your biggest error (aside from thinking the words of goat herders who thought bacterial infections were literal realtime punishments from a deity) is thinking that "god" is some separate personality, but that ain't correct. Source is consciousness in it's rawest and purest form, and we're part of it. Sorry if you don't like that, but I have firsthand experience that you probably do not.

 

Reich is and always has been a glorified moron. And if you have to say “uniquely American version of fascism is rooted largely in white Christian nationalism,” then it's NOT fascism, it's reusing a word for political purposes and nothing more. Not to mention I don't think that even describes Trump, he's a lot of things and a lot of them are bad, but some buybull thumping xtian soldier is not on the list! I also find it... Curious... That Trump only became a racist (in the eyes of the left, who had previously given him awards for his diversity causes) the very minute he decided to run for POTUS as a Republican. Had he run as a Dem, which he nominally was once upon a time, during the primary some mean things would have been said about him, because that's politics, but I don't think he would have been hit with that label. But, daring to take on the anointed one in the rigged (by design) DNC primary would not have made him many friends.

 

LOL... he was a racist LONG before that... Central Park 5 ring a bell? Birth certifiicates?

But, to be fair, he did come up with the Mexican rapist thing the very minute he announced his run, so consider that episode his salute to his future voting base....

This is great stuff... almost always puts a smile on my face...

 

The deity you bend the knee to (I bend my knee to NOBODY, deity or not) is the most violent psychopathic murderer in the history of the world, if even a quarter of the buybull is historically accurate. The impossible flood alone (impossible because there isn't enough water on the planet to flood it, and there were societies like Egypt and China that existed at the time of the alleged flood that didn't notice it) killed more people in a horrible way (not even mentioning the animals and etc.) than the sum total of every serial killer in the history of humanity. Even if it did exist, he's a dick and an evil one at that, and would be an entity I would not have anything to do with, just as I don't associate with any human serial killers, at least as far as I know.

If it turns out I actually am and just don't know it, that will stop quickly if I become convinced any accusations against him or her were true.

 

Why do you stop at a billion? Start with a trillion! You know, even in a million,billion,trillion 2+2 will always =4.

 

Did you know scientists have discovered that beneath our crust there is more water encased in rock than all of the oceans? Ask a scientist. You judge the Creator and you better hope that doesn't come back to bite you but....there is grace from our loving Father.

You bend the knee to knowone (at least so far). That is really cool. I like the old adage "Pride always precedes a fall".

 

Here you go: https://www.westernjournal.com/bibl...ral-joe-rogan-notices-couldnt-sleep-learning/

 

Is it “giving people a choice” when state “A" demands a neighboring state “B" that allows abortions turn over any and all records relating to residents of state “A” going to state “B” for abortions so state “A” which doesn’t allow abortions can prosecute anyone who gets an abortion in another state?

 

And ask any anti-abortion person if they agree with science and medical evidence that a fetus isn’t a “baby”.

 

WOW!!!!!
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I’m unclear whether it was you saying that or you paraphrasing what evangelicals say. After thinking about it I’mm thinking it was you paraphrasing evangelicals. Right?

 

Not necessarily. A lot of stupid and simple-minded people on the Left see this issue as all about abortion.
Of course, maybe it's not so surprising they'd overlook the much broader Constitutional issue here.

I think it's due to how the Left thinks, Left tends to view the acceptability of tactics according to the desired immediate results, whereas Conservatives put more importance on principles.

The Left might have easily pushed this exact same Constitutional amendment if the situation had been the reverse and they thought it would protect abortion.

 

Hang on - might have to rethink the flood thing as our indigenous people have “song lines” about floods and they are talking about the end of the last ice age when the sea level rose!

 

Nah it’s more like self defense.

 

Some murder is ok right?

 

Did you forget this?
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/4959...ed-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case

 

Please alert me if you are going to post stuff like that when I'm drinking something...

Just for S and G's, what IS the broader Constitutional issue with Ohio's upcoming attempt to protect abortion rights in the state? IYHO...

 

Not even close

 

Yea

I was paraphrasing the “ so-called” evangelical Christian.

The Christians rights in America use Biblical principle when it works for their political advantage and ignore when it works against them.

They want to use Biblical principle to push government to ban abortion. But taking care the poor, taking care the widow, taking care the sick maintain in the Bible over 2000 times - for Christian right those teaching make government “ nanny state”.

Taking care the foreigner , oh the OT and NT is very clear about that, they hide behind Romans and 1 Peter where it was written to obey “ law of the land”. They don’t obey the law of the land themselves, past 50 years they couldn’t wait but to overthrow the law of the land, but you bring up “comprehensive immigration to them “ , they will say “ oh .. yea this is bad , but these people broke the law of the land.. it’s biblical, I feel for them but if you break the law, you must accept punishment, God is a just God, he doesn’t tolerate sin”. But the same people , two minute later stand in the church and rejoice “ I was a sinner and Jesus paid the price on the cross for me”. For them Jesus paid the price but for poor undocumented immigrants, “ God is just and he doesn’t tolerate sin”.

 

No where in America children can go thru surgery for sex alteration without parental consent. So children are not making that decision. The parents are making that decision for them.

Even with parental consent , anyone under the age having surgery to change sex is very rear. Only 56 teens age 13-17 had complete surgery which are not reversable between 2019-2021.

Most teens who want to change sex they have to go thru years of counseling, including their parents and siblings, then hormonal therapy. Children are not making any decision, parents are.

 

Believe what ? believe scripture?

Liberals can’t believe scripture? I am liberal and I am a born-again Christian.

Sorry, it might shock you but “eternal salvation” is not limited to those who are registered Republican.

 

So you believe you are a "born again Christian"? That is well and good and I can accept that. The part I can not accept is your premise that it is fine and dandy for a woman to terminate the gift of life that God has given her. That the government is not put in place by God to protect the innocent from the "Evil One" but rather to provide a cradle to grave security for every unproductive soul at the expense of the productive. Charity comes from the individual whose heart has been changed by a work of God, not by a coercive government who taxes by the "force" of the IRS.

 

1. You stated and I quote: "I’m pro choice and pro responsibility. Women can make a choice but it should be the right choice."
2.You make the allegations "libs" are "cheering the deaths of innocent people".


In regards to 1, no you prove you do not want a woman to have the final say as to what she should do with her own body and believe she must agree and follow your belief.

In regards to 2, I do not know which "libs" you refer to. You want to refer to my views? I am not a lib or con if you want to use those simplistic and silly labels. No I am not right or left. I am in the middle. In regards to this issue I would hope a woman finding herself pregnant could get confidential and private access to medical services and that means without your interference or knowledge or mine, that provide her with CHOICES provided to her in a neutral, judgement free environment which includes counseling on all options available if she were to see a pregnancy through or how to decide to safely terminate. That for me and many is a matter between that patient (woman) and her physician NOT you. No you do not enter her exam room and tell her a damn thing unless she asks for you because you are a parent, trusted friend, loved one or the mate but event then the ultimate decision must come down to that woman alone with her physician. No I do not cheer anything. No I do not want women terminating pregnancies based on decisions they then come to regret because they felt they had no other options but NO unlike you I do not believe you, the government or anyone else has any right to impose your beliefs on that woman. You want to speak out against terminating pregnancies do so. Offer solutions but stay out of her damn exam room. Do not try force your beliefs on her.

I am going to say to you what I say to anyone who reduces this issue to imposing their own beliefs on others because they think their views are the only ones anyone should have-your views begin and end with you. If people do not agree with them it ends there. No you do not use government or physical force or violence to force a woman to do something with her body.

Next in your position you make no acknowledgement of the stages of development of the fetus to embryo to developed child in the womb. You make no acknowledgment of chronic diseases, fatal diseases, rape, genetic abnormalities that can be detected very early and prevent still born deaths or severely deformed embryos that will not survive birth or be condemned to unthinkable cruelty if born.

You use a simplistic black and white framework.

You do not know me or people like me. Before you say I cheer death ask me. You know what I do not cheer-back room abortions where women are mutilated and bleed to death. I do not cheer women who are raped especially when they are raped by their fathers. I do not cheer medical technology revealing such serious medical issues that a woman must choose to end her pregnancy to spare her otherwise child unbearable suffering. I do unlike you know medical technology enables is now to make medical decisions we once could not and it then creates choices a woman must decide on you clearly do not acknowledge or understand.

In my past work I dealt with back room abortions, crack addicted new borns with severe brain damage, people selling their babies, leaving them in public toilets, mutilating themselves with a coat hanger. You want me to go on and on? Don't say I cheer such things. What I do respect are judgement free nurses, doctors, social workers, teachers, other countless front line workers trying to help women understand the full range of choices but NOT like you assuming what choices MUST be made.

Your God that tells you to push your beliefs on people is you. My God is silent. My God created a never ending cycle of life and death that depends on each of us making free choices and then learning from our decisions what good and bad is in each decision.

My God has no name, I only use that word for you out of respect for you because I know all your beliefs are genuinely based on a concept of a God who established rules all must follow.

In my world there are homo sapiens. They make very bad decisions and some make very positive decisions. In my world you can't in reality tie a woman down for 9 months to a bed and force her to term.

In my world people terminate due to mental illness, poverty, drug addiction, medical reasons, or because they were raped. If I were to judge them all I could not have done my job.

My job was to put rapists in jail or violent people in jail. So these women I witnessed ranging from 9 to say 48 I did not judge. I simply was there to remove anyone violent or forcing themselves on them.

So don't label me or others who have my beliefs we do not cheer death. Thank you.

By the way I admit to you in this debate in the past I could have been much more respectful of people with religious motives-my problem is I would get angry when they were so into their beliefs and forcing them on others they became abusive and violent. I admit that to you. I am trying to respectfully acknowledge our differences and tell you sanctity of life we both agree with-how its achieved we might disagree with.

 

You know what is Biblical principle to address “a woman who wants to terminate the gift of life that God has given her”?

Witness to her, praying for her. Bring her to Christ. Provide her need. That’s Biblical.

Voting and politicking to change law is not Biblical.