Canada’s house speaker apologises after praising Ukrainian veteran of Nazi unit

Whoever was organizing this should have done some due diligence. I have some sympathy for peoples caught between totalitarian dictatorships, but the optics of this are poor and it should not have happened.

Those pushing an agenda will inevitably blow it out of all proportion.

 

Nope, not under my bed,, but in Ukraine, and standing next to our fascist leaders in the West is where we find the Nazis.

 

What part of this makes the Nazi your friend? You haven't explained how a Nazi fighting our ally is your friend

 

The guy fought Russian communistic imperialism. That's not exactly a theme that makes somebody a nazi.
As for your "our ally is our friend". Is it? The west immediately turned their backs towards Russia the moment the war was over.
You labelling Russia as our friend, is a joke. Thanks for trying and have a nice day.

 

It's about more than that. The people who complain about white supremacy being the biggest problem we face, are invariably the same people praising, and funding white supremacists to the tune of tens of billions, in Ukraine.

If you are a 21 year old neo-Nazi in NYC, and you see this Nazi get a double standing ovation, in any parliament, it hits differently. Whereas I felt disgust before the Speaker was halfway finished, it would immediately swell a Nazi with pride. This war the West has chosen is building a sense of legitimacy for white supremacists around the world.

 

He didn't fight just communists; as soon as he donned that SS uniform he was fighting Americans. You labeling this Nazi as our friend is a joke. You can only get away with it because he lost. What if the 14th Waffen SS, and other units were more successful and were able to repel Field Marshal Koniv's offensive? What if they held the Soviets, and allowed Hitler to deploy enough forces in the West to beat us back into the sea on D-day? Would he still have been a hero for fighting the Russians?

 

That's not even possible, since the US joined the war much later. lol
And that is as in: he joined the war as a soldier on foot in 1943.
The US soldiers on foot entered the war only in 1944.
Do note. The war started in 1940, while some say 1939.

Ah flip flop flip flop. Suddenly you're saying the guy was fighting the Russians and not the US. I can agree with this that he was fighting the Soviets.

He fought the Russian communistic imperialisms. I don't see how you can label a person of being a nazi, when you do that.
The US did that soon after the war, in Korea with our friends. And later in Vietnam.
That's where the label friend comes from.

What if he later rebelled against the Germans after they stopped the Soviets?

 

The Speaker would have had to have known history as part of that due diligence. As soon as the words left his lips, he should have said, "wait a moment," and stopped reading the script. He should've realized that praising someone who was fighting Russians during WWII is praising someone fighting you in WWII.

And he didn't just praise his courage in a specific combat event, which I can do, even if a Nazi. He praised him specifically for the side he chose.

 

The US declared war on Germany in 1941. Which means when your Nazi hero donned the uniform in 1943, he was in a fight against America. And like I said, if his unit was successful against the Russians, then that would have been a blow to us Americans (and he would have been perfectly willing to kill Americans if the 14th Waffen SS was redeployed to Italy).

 

Uh...no...the topic is a gaff by a speaker of the house.

Ummm....what "war crimes" did this Hunka partake in?.....any ideas?

 

Who/where are these "Nazis"?

Do tell?

 

Well...it wasn't deployed to Italy....so it's a moot point.

 

I didn't accuse him of commiting war crimes. I accused him of being a Nazi and volunteering to help Hitler. Thus, he does not deserve praise and celebration in North America. And he wasn't "our" friend despite another poster in this thread believing he was his friend for joining the SS.

 

"In North America".....??

Where in US or Mexico is he getting praised?

 

It's especially embarrassing considering these were all politicians who presumably know who was fighting the Soviet Union in WWII. The fact that this man was a Nazi should not have been a surprise to them, especially considering Canada's history of being a sanctuary for Nazis. They've been dealing with the moral repercussions of that for quite some time.

 

I'm trying to figure out if you're being serious or if your fallacious arguments are hilariously unintended. Every post in this conversation has been a fallacy.

1. This person born after WWII is a "Nazi" so why should we have a problem with an actual Nazi?

2. Prove to me something you didn't say.

3. Prove to me something you didn't say.

This conversation would be a lot more fruitful if you included at least one argument in your responses that wasn't an obvious fallacy.

 

One if the 14th Waffen SS assignments was "anti-partisan" actions in Poland and Czechoslovakia. Are we defending Nazi anti-partisan tactics now? Are you even aware of those tactics?

 

But American troops were trying to push up through Italy at the time of this guy's enlistment. Among other Nazi units, the 14th Waffen SS stood between the Americans in Italy, and our allied Russian army in Ukraine. Without those units there, the Russians could have punched through Ukraine earlier, thus relieving pressure on the Americans (and Canadians I'm pretty sure).

And his unit was eventually deployed to Austria, just north of Italy. Are you sure there was no contact with Americans by his unit?

 

He aint my hero, while he also personally did not fight against the US. It's also no kind of war crime to have fought against the US. But he fought against the Russians, hence the asylum cause it otherwise would probably have been a miserable death. You can direct your objections towards the Canadian government.

For all you know, he could have rebelled against the Germans.... just like the conscripted Georgians (as in the people south west of Ukraine, not from the US) who fought along with the Germans until they started to fight against the Germans till weeks after the end of the war in the Netherlands. It is a famous last battle of Europe due to the awkwardness of who was fighting who and where, when they all weren't aware the war was already over.

 

I am serious....you're flip flopping now.

Where in NA is he being praised?

You're lumping in 3 countries...instead of one?

This gaff was made by a speaker of the house in .....CANADA, country in NA, ....you stated...praised in NA?.....I'm not seeing anything in the US or Mexico? Sounds like you're caught with your pants down on this?

 

Canada.

Yes, that's what I said.

I didn't say he was praised in Mexico. Logic fail. I said nobody in North America should praise him, period. Do you disagree? People in the US and Mexico should praise him, too? I presume you might considering how far you've gone to defend this already and the many fallacious arguments you've made to defend that support of Canada praising him.

 

Maybe Justin can resurrect that black face act and cry some crocodile tears....

 

You say this, while he probably volunteered to fight Russian communistic imperialism. That doesn't make him a nazi. And while you can say he was helping Hitler, the true motivation was that he was helping his people not being subjected to thug soviet communistic control. We all know it was pure tyranny.

Well, you would end up with that conclusion when you leave out he was fighting Communistic Russian imperialism.

 

Except before "anti-partisan" actions in Central Europe, he was participating in anti-partisan action in Ukraine. The opening scene of Inglorious Bastards is a good representation of Nazi SS anti-partisan tactics. The number of villages of 20-100 people in Ukraine in which the SS marched in and put a bullet in everyone, to include babies held in their mother's arms, is too long to list here.

So if successful, and after being tied to their Nazi masters through participation in such heinous acts, I doubt the Ukranian collaborators would have rebelled, and would have been willing to have the Nazis use them as they wished. They used the same strategy as common criminals do when they force their accomplices to fire their guns in a crime. It's to bind them...

 

I wonder if Canada ran their equivalent of Operation Paperclip run by the US government?