Canada’s house speaker apologises after praising Ukrainian veteran of Nazi unit

Not supporting Nazis...nor am I arguing....I'll go back to your initial statement where you painted NA with the same brush. Youre clearly desperate.

 

Vandalizing cemetery gravestones is a an exercise in futility.

The persons dead....spray painting the tombstone isn't going to change anything....afaic.

No Canada isn't the "only" country glorifying SS "individuals?

I been to a few large cemeteries in Canada....Toronto, Winnipeg, AND Edmonton....I didn't see numerous headstones or statues of SS members.....there's also in US and South America....nice try.


Yeah so....Roman Shukevich was a Ukie nationalists that hated the Soviet pigs....but I guess you have an issue with that....your problem I guess.

Wankers mercs use Wagner as their "poster boy"....he was Adolfs favorite composer....that must mean Wankers are "Nazi scum"??....woogsie?

 

Canada's Dark Secret: 1997 60 Minutes expose' of WW2 war criminals living in Canada. Video of full segment at link.

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1706998956322934918

 

Just as much criminal as the ones we had here....woogsie.

Von Braun, Debus, Strughold, Dornberger.

LOL....Hunka is a small fish compared to these.....

 

Only Nazis fought against the Soviet Union in Ukraine. Did Zelenskyy not know this about his country’s history during WW2 as he clapped and smiled broadly?

 

This is just the Nazi they got caught associating with. Like when Jon Stewart pinned that medal on a Nazi a few months back.

I guarantee you that since this conflict began, many backroom meetings with open Nazis have occurred between McCain, Graham, Morrell, Brennan, Pompeo, Cohen, Nuland, Zelensky, Klitchko, Sullivan, Burns, Biden, and many others.

These people decided by at least 2014, that whatever their Ukraine plan was, it was worth collaborating with Nazis. And now I think they should reap what they have sown, which should be public disgust and shame.

 

I agree that he is innocent until proven guilty. The Poles should not automatically call for his extradition based on his unit's actions alone. Remember what the people who just went through the hell of WW2 decided: a general amnesty and integration into society, unless there was evidence of specific crimes by an individual.

This guy could have been faking injuries to avoid action. He could have been like private Blithe in Band of Brothers and was a coward who avoided participating when stuff went down. Or these anti-partisan units could have organized their units in such a way as to use the same bloodthirsty squads to commit the bulk of atrocities, and this guy was one of the people they kept to the rear, or used for labor, preparation, or administration.

Even if the impetus for retribution is massive, like it is for what happened in WW2, we must also remember that innocent until proven guilty is also who we are, and we should do our utmost to ensure not one innocent person is caught in our net of justice.

In other words, in the face of no evidence against him, the public should leave this old man alone while authorities/journalists investigate. Focus on your immoral, incompetent leaders.

 

Even so, he's innocent at best, not a hero! Why does he get such honors? For NOT KILLING?

 

You say this, but also remember that Germany has tried and convicted individuals with a tenuous connection to specific war crimes, such as the old woman convicted just last year who was nothing more than a teenage secretary at a concentration camp. She was given no jail time due to her age, but was convicted nevertheless.

Furchner was handed a two-year suspended sentence by the court in the northern town of Itzehoe early Tuesday for being an accessory to 10,505 counts of murder and five counts of attempted murder, a spokesman for the court confirmed to NBC News in an email.

Furchner was charged with “aiding those in a position of responsibility at the former Stutthof concentration camp with the systematic killing of those imprisoned there, due to her work as a shorthand typist/secretary in the Camp Commandant’s Office between June 1943 and April 1945,” according to a court press release.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna62519

Those who were actual victims may have a different idea of what constitutes guilt. The Germans exercise that right. Why not the Poles? It is indisputable that Hunka's unit engaged in mass murder of civilians. Is he less guilty than the German secretary?

 

You're saying the president of Ukraine, Zelenskyy doesn't no his country's history? What WW2 history of Ukraine was he taught in school?

 

"Indisputable that Hunkas unit engaged in mass murder"???


If it were .....he would've been convicted and executed.....which he wasn't and dismissed.

Adolf Eichmann....caught in Argentina....a big fish.

Josef Mengele.....rumored to have died in Brazil....in Santa Catarina or Parana province....his possible body exhumed...results inconclusive......A BIG FISH!

Otto Skorzeny.....Hilters "Uber kommando" of Special forces....rumored to be one of Argentinian Presidents Eva Peron body guards and security detail.......a BIG Fish.

Erich Koch....Reichkommisariat of Ukraine....sent many hundreds of thousands to their death. Died in his cell in Barczewo Poland in Nov.86...gee...I wonder who "protected" him?.....wasn't Poland in Warsaw Pact at that time??.....Moscow administered?....or let's see.....maybe it was a case of he was doing Stalin a favor in getting rid of Ukrainians??



Erich Priebke.....Ciudado de Bariloche....Argentina.....BIG FISH!

General Adolf Heusinger....one of NATOs Co contributor?.....possibly?.....was one of the Generals at Kursk with Walter Model.....BIG FISH!

Kurt Waldheim.....former Chancellor of Austria and UN Secretary General....was "special operations" on Russian Front in WW2?...gee....I wonder what those "special ops" were?


Yaroslav Hunka...?.....a 19 yr old brainwashed kid that was dismissed after the war on no evidence.

Sounds like crapping the drawers on the wrong dude??

 

No, I'm saying he used Nazis to help him take power. And he used Nazis to terrorize Russian speaking people in Eastern Ukraine, from 2014 through this moment. He is bound to Nazis, just like we are.

100+ people were killed in the 2014 coup, organized by people in our government, like Nuland. While I'm sure that many died in random street violence, I wonder if there weren't some targeted killings. There must be a deeper investigation of every death.

30 of the 100 killed weren't security at vital government buildings were they?

Because if so, then that raises the question of who killed them?

Who were the very first people into the vital government administration buildings during the coup?

I suspect they were the same that were first through the doors at the Capitol on Jan 6: a mixture of the hard right and US government agents. And in Ukraine, the hard right are Nazis.

 

Yes, he knows he was clapping for a Nazi. He still supports Nazis in his own military. Jew, fake jew, whatever the hell he is...doesn't matter. He's a nazi supporter, through and through.

 

Zelenskyy is putting country before his God.

 

Any links for your "claim" Bill?

 

Again, you quoted my actual statement, yet you're attacking a straw man. I never said you "supported" Nazis. I said you defended people who showered a Nazi with praise. Is this a normal occurrence for you? Or, was this just a knee-jerk reaction to defend people who you believe share similar political leanings as you? This seems like the absolute worst form of political tribalism. Godwin's Law personified in real life.

 

This war needs to end. It doesn't matter which side wins. It has been a meat grinder. It would have been far better to let Putin get his buffer zone through diplomacy rather than kill hundreds of thousands of young men for absolutely no gain for either side. ****ing stupid.

I can see if we were sending the full force of the USA and NATO to end this **** quick, but sending just enough to keep the blood and war going is beyond idiotic, unless you are Raytheon or Lockheed Martin.

 

I've held strong to this position from week 1 in countless posts: we may be able to dislodge the Russians from Ukraine, but the Biden administration is absolutely lying about the amount of effort that would require (and that's if it doesn't go nuclear, and we could maintain conventional warfare only until the very end of the conflict, which is ludicrous in itself, but I'll set it aside for debate's sake).

At a minimum we would have to deploy 1,000 attack aircraft (piloted by Americans) in a sustained air campaign over not just Ukraine, but over large swaths of Western Russia in order to break their integrated AD network, that would suffer daily casualties of multiple pilots. We would be considering occupying Belarus and Moldova. We would have to multiply the number of American workers making JUST artillery shells right now by at least 10, maybe 20.

To dislodge the Russians, it's going to require a massive effort. At a minimum we would have to use the full might of our navy and air force. It's just not feasible; I know they had to know this before Putin invaded, which is why I think they said screw it, at least us and our donors will get to launder a significant portion of the US treasury into our accounts.

 

"To dislodge RuZZkis will require a massive effort?"

Dwarfstan military getting hammered by 30 yr old Western hardware....they lose territory daily, can't provide assistance to the Armenians, beg North Korea for old ammo.


"We would have to use full might of our navy /airforce"

Ukraine(who has no navy), has taken out numerous ships.....most recently a sub docked in Sevastopol that netted almost 100 dead navy KIA.

BSF stands no chance against Western Navy..

 

Nothing in your cite supports this, so I figure you made it up.

More BS.

Are you a Putin supporter?

 

Uh oh. Another MAGA type.

Why don't you limit your smear jobs to your own country?

 

There's a video linked in the OP showing they invited him, introduced him as a "hero," and then gave him not one, but two standing ovations. If you can't find that information that's on you and not me.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/sto...-movement-nazis-safe-haven-2441956-2023-09-29

When you're caught up on the basic information the thread is about we can branch into other subjects.

As an aside is there a reason you are unaware that a Nazi was praised and yet still on the defensive? It seems like a strange hill to die on given the overwhelming evidence. Are you defensive of people giving praise to all Nazis or just this one?

 

MYO Damn B. I would point out you don't know what you're talking about, but when did that ever stop you?

 

At what cost?? It is getting ridiculous. There have been only tiny gains, with hundreds of thousands dead and wounded on both sides. It is like WW1, with neither side having a clear advantage, and generals just throwing young men into battle with **** for planning and logistics, resulting in tiny gains and massive casualties.

We either need to go all in in hopes that Putin will not launch nukes, and win decisively, or Ukraine and Russia need to end the war through diplomacy. "Staying the course" is ****ing stupid, wiping out an entire generation of young men with little chance of success for either side. Unless you are in the arms industry, in which case you want to keep the slow drip going.

There is nothing patriotic or glorious about getting your sons slaughtered in a purposely prolonged conflict.

 

Nope, you are wrong. He is putting his bank account before the 100's of thousands of dead ukrainians that he's killed. It's not so hard to understand why he would sleep with nazis.