And Yet People Defend Hamas

That is hilariously ridiculous.

The average age in Gaza is 19. Gazans have to read about Arafat in books, if they have any.

Our system of law sees punishing the children for the acts of the parents as criminal.

In fact, neither we nor the UN accept the notion of punishing populations for the acts of leaders.

 

Ideally , yes. BUT when emotions are running as high and extreme, rational thought seems to evaporate.

 

What is this extreme hatred of Jews based on ?? It is powerful enough to last decades and grow in intensity.
Why can't people accept others as they are and learn to live with them in a cooperative peaceful way??

 

Those in Gaza have been living under the Israeli siege of the last decades.

The UN has called Gaza and open air prison.

They are not allowed to travel, import or even EXPORT!!!

The result is they are living in total poverty, with the majority being food insecure.

It doesn't take 20 years of that to grow hate for Israel.

 

Yes, that is the dynamic .(sadly)

 

Oh My God, Readmore-- your answer has nothing to do, with what I'd asked you. I do not need for you to lecture me on what you've learned about the blockade. This was the second time I'd asked you about this--

DEFinning said: ↑
No-- I of course, had known, and have posted about the blockade. I had meant the intrigue you had mentioned, that Netanyahu's motivation had not originally been the safety of the Israeli people-- temporary blockades began after the Israel-Gaza conflict-- but rather the ruination of attempts of the Palestinians to self-govern.

Your initial post which had peaked both my own, and Josh 77's interest, had been this:


WillReadmore said: ↑
Agreed. But, I would point out that Hamas was ready to join the unity government designed by President Abbas - a decision that would pretty much end Hamas. This was at a low point for Hamas.

That failed primarily because of actions by Netanyahu designed to ensure its failure.


Shall I take it, by your failure to support, or even speak to that point you had made, that you cannot actually verify it?

 

Honestly? Bottom line?

Because it's not happening to them.

 

Islam is a religion of which the core tennant is that all non Muslims are infedels.

Don't be ignorant to the belief and it's core values fella.

 

First of all, they don’t call non Muslims infidels, they call them kafir. Infidels is what the Spanish Inquisition called the people they tortured and burned at the stake.

All kafir means is that you are not Muslim. So what? Would you call someone who did not believe in Jesus a Christian? No, you would call them an unbeliever.

In medieval times, kafir who were dhimmi, or people of the book, were taxed, but were otherwise recognized as worshipping the same god but with different beliefs. That was long ago, back when crusaders were burning cities to the ground.

The world’s largest Muslim organization Nahdlatul Ulama, has urged Muslims not to call people kafir anymore because non Muslims seem to take it the wrong way, as an insult, when it isn’t meant to be.

I don’t see the big deal with ‘infidel’ except with the tiny handful of extremists. I’ve known many Muslims, and none of them cared one bit that I was not Muslim. Live in hate if you want. I don’t let hate into my life.

 

Of course he can't. He doesn't know anything. That is to say, he gets his "news" from the same biased sources as everyone else in his echo sphere. It's just fact that no one here knows the nuance of Israeli actions and reaction to Palestinians and vice versa. In my mind, there's more than enough evidence to suggest that it's the Palestinian side that shoulders most of the blame. They have vowed to destroy Israel. I do NOT believe Israel has attacked them unprovoked. What would be their motivation to do so? That's my opinion, and you just payed what it's worth.

 

Still drinking from the same well, I see.

 

its fresh, you should try it.

 

I agree , in the name of the God / Allah million innocent people have been killed.

Having said that , it is also true that in the name of eliminate God from society , millions have been killed too. USSR anti-religious campaign (1917-1991) killed between 12-30 millions. That’s just in Russia, if we go to China, or Vietnam or South America, in the name of “ removing religion from society” millions have been killed.

 

I totally agree. God is not the problem. Power hungry people and organizations are.

 

If your kind of thinking is the result, why would anyone do that to themselves voluntarily?
Isn't kush enough?

 

It's bred into the muslim code. They believe every non-muslim (infidel) must be killed; Jews are just top of the list.
Over 30 years ago the Ayatollah Khomenei put out a hit, a $25 million dollar bounty for the death of english author, because he didn't like his book. While that ayatollah is gone and several others have followed- that
bounty is still open.

They aren't about to learn better. ever. It's who they are.

 

Lol, what a load of crap.

 

Nonetheless, our generation and all others live lives bound by the decisions of our forebears. The Palestinians are no different. There is a price to be paid for 75 years of political stupidity and military incompetence, and those 19-year-olds are paying it. Plainly stated, their Palestinian leadership, past and present, has forfeited their future.

 

The crap is that any people would cling to that kind of prejudice and teach it to their kids. Do your homework.

 

See an article this morning, where Biden reversed a Trump ruling and sent $730Mil to an anti-Israel group cooperating with Hamas... Why am I not surprised?

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/biden-administration-unrwa-gaza-terrorists/2023/10/10/id/1137820/

 

the spanish inquisition only had jurisdiction over those who claimed to be Christians-the Morenos or new Christians. Jews and Moors who didn't leave were persecuted by secular/military authorities. Not excusing the Inquisition but many Jews and some Moors, in order to remain, became "New Christians". Some of them-=due to their enterprise and skills actually started rising-in terms of power and influence, above the landed gentry ("Hidalgos") which caused resentment from the older establishment. The Inquisition was a weapon the old order used against the "new Christians" who had gained influence with the Court and the church was not something Ferdinand and Isabella could stand against.

 

The radicals of a religion do not define a religion. That is like saying the KKK defined Christianity.

 

most Christians damned the Klan and the people the Klan mostly attacked were often devout Christians. Not so with the Jihadists. They are not routinely damned by the majority of Muslims and their victims are usually non Muslims

 

I was just talking about where the term infidel came from. There are plenty of other examples of non-christians being killed and persecuted by Christians, though Christians persecuting other Christians is just as bad and relevant, I think.

It is the people that manipulate religion and their followers that are the problem, taking advantage of their suffering to further a cause. Religions themselves, whether it is Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc, are not bad in themselves. Judging Muslims in Indonesia for attacks in Israel is as ridiculous as judging all Christians on the actions of the KKK.

 

BS, Muslims despise what radicals do in the name of their religion. The KKK example is very relevant. What muslims support is the struggle against anti-muslim views, not the blowing up of buildings.