And Yet People Defend Hamas

not this again smh.
It's not their traditional homeland.

 

I didn't say wiping out the Palestinians, way to not read.

I said get the civilians out, sort them from the known terrorists, level the place so you get out the terrorists who went to ground in the vast tunnel network Hamas has built.
The Quataris, Saudis, Iranians, can take in the Palestinians, since they funded and sheltered Hamas.
Palestinians = alive in this context.

 

Lol. Yes it is.

 

Yeah, they are not going to leave without fighting. To do that would take genocide. They would have left a long time ago otherwise. Either they do not want to go, or no one will take them. To have them removed = genocide.

 

Back during the American Revolution how many Brits do you suppose at that time supported the Americans waging war against the British government? Not very damn many.

It all depends on whose ox is being gored. The Israeli government and its puppet US government have been killing civilians with drones and every other possible way for decades, and we've been told to believe that is all well and good because we are delivering democracy by way of drone attacks. Israel and the US have been delivering terrorism for decades, and the american public has been conditioned to believe that was actually for the good of the world. Pure propaganda.

It depends on whose ox is being gored, old news.

Many are saying this recent violence is a sort of inside job that will allow the expansion of what's known as Greater Israel.

 

They were given their chance to govern themselves and live in peace with the rest of Israel. Israel gave into them and agreed to it. And what did Israel get in return? Did the Palestinians living there live in that peace and government themselves in a peaceful manner? No they choose to put the terrorist in charge. And we see the results. The people living there will pay a price they brought upon themselves, the burden is on them turn to against Hamas, give aid and comfort to the IDF when they enter, assist them in finding the Hama leaders and weapons cache's and rid themselves of the people who are creating the carnage and inability to come to a peaceful solution.

 

Joe Biden is doing a pretty good job defending HAMAS.

 

Civilians have been killed because the civilians elected a terrorist group to run the country, a terrorist group that has no problem using them as human targets. Get rid of the terrorist groups and you stop the civilian deaths that even as much as both the US and Israel governments try to avoid are inevitable in this war as in any war. Did the Palestinians give the Israel's a heads up so they could evacuate as the Israel's are doing now before they launch the full force of the military against them?

 

No to do that would require the Saudis and Qatari and Iranians to WANT to accept them. Currently, they refuse to and only shelter Hamas leaders.
But no one wants the Palestinians, because the last nation to take them in they assassinated the king of and started a coup and bloody civil war. See Jordan.
The Saudis, Qatari and Iranians find them useful as a stalking horse to **** with the Israelis so they continue to fund and arm terrorists like Hamas and shelter their leaders.
The Palestinian population shelters the fighters, knows where they are, feeds them, ****s them. They could quite easily either murder them to be rid of them, or point them out so we could do the same.
They refuse to. That tends to make them people who provide material aid to Hamas willingly, IE terrorists. If terrorists won't surrender, you kill them. That's how war works, and they DECLARED it. So give the little ****s what they beg for.

To have a living civilian population removed, ALIVE, to another place is not genocide ffs.

What is your proposed solution? Should the Israelis just let this atrocity go? All the beheaded babies, and raped corpses, kidnapped women turned into sex slaves etc? Just let it go? Tell me what they should do. You're the magic king here, waive your magic wand and tell us all what should be done.

 

I imagine the Brits were saying much the same about our continental congress and our founding fathers. "terrorist" may not have been a term used back then, but the contemporary equivalent would have been used. It's all relative.

 

Recount to me the many instances in the American revolution of local tories children being beheaded, their daughters stolen, enslaved, and used as rape meat.
Go on then. Its all relative right? Show me these instances, since it is your claim they occurred.

 

You are saying yourself no one will take them. They are damned if they go and damned if they stay. How again does removing them not end up in genocide? You highlighted the reason why a terrorist group was elected, because everyone else in the world is out to screw them over. What you are describing will not end in them being moved alive, but genocide. So no, genocide is not an option.

 

The US government is run by a terrorist organization, just as Ike warned about in 1961. MLK had it figured out, and many others too.

Terrorists are as terrorists do. Shooting up weddings and funerals with drones is as big a terrorist act as can be done, yet Americans have been conditioned to believe it's OK if POTUS does it, Nixon's lame excuse. Lt. Calley and his platoon committed terrorism, and many others who were not caught did the same. Many did not, to keep things in perspective.

We were tricked into electing terrorists?

 

Where did I say all that was going on? I said the British viewed the Americans as terrorists, or whatever contemporary term they used. Firing on British soldiers in Lexington and Concorde would have been the same as driving a VBIED into a US FOB gate today. Yes, it is all relative.

 

No one will take them in the current paradigm where the US, UK, and Euros don't force them to.
If we put it to Iran, Saudi, and Qatar that they'd funded these terrorists so they could take them, and enforced that, 10/1 the arabs and persians fold and do it.

No out to screw them over. The PALESTINIANS ELECTED THE TERRORIST GROUP dude. They CHOSE that as their government. And every time Hamas has refused to hold elections, and murdered their opposition, and the people have done NOTHING, they have ratified that choice. Again and Again and Again. At what point do we allow them to have the consequences they so vociferously demand?

Again: Evacuating the civilians is not genocide.
As to no one getting out: Egypt just let in 2k people on their side during this horseshit. As in DURING an active terrorist putsch they were like yeah we'll take these poor sad refugees who don't want the coming dildo of consequences. I'm pretty sure a more dedicated and enforced effort could pay dividends there.

 

What's the equivalent for beheading babies and raping corpses of civilians then? Where is the relatively the same action in our Revolution since you want to compare this to Palestinian terrorist attacks?
Some things are objectively wrong. Example: Raping a corpse or beheading a baby.

 

You think they will let in all of Palestine? I doubt it. And the Palestinians are desperate. What choice do they have if their opposition is murdered, and the Israelis bulldoze their homes and oppress the **** out of them? They are between a rock and a hard place. As for the US and UK forcing them to take the Palestinians, that is guaranteeing them living like second class citizens wherever they go. Your solution is no solution at all from their perspective.

 

I'd love to hear the rapist/infanticide sympathizers response to this. Just what should Israel have done?

Hamas continues to employ rocket attacks against Israel. Can we all agree that Israel should defend it's people? Great! What to do? How do you target Hamas without massive collateral damage? Maybe to blockade was not the best option - it's clearly not effective- but you need to do something other than widespread carnage, right?

And then those savages did what they did last weekend. Seems only one response is called for now. And we're seeing it. Sorry, not seeing how the blame is shared by Israel.

 

I'm sure we can find plenty of that against slaves in our history. Whether it was done at all during the Revolutionary war, who knows? A lot of horrific stuff happened. A lot was likely omitted from the history books of the victors.

 

9/11?

 

Reminder: Hamas' stated aim is to kill all the Jews, starting with the Israelis.
This is an elected government's stated aim.
You do not negotiate with terrorists.

 

Have they fired weapons specifically targeting civilians? Are they Israel's rounding up innocent Palestineinan's and beheading their babies before them before they they receive the same. That you would conflate the actions of the Hamas terrorist with the targeted restrained response by the Israel's is the height of absurdity.

The Palestinian's are free to go to the UN safe zones or head South to evacuate into Egypt. THEY put THEMSELVES into the situation in which then find themselves.

Tell me exactly what you think the Israel response should be. What should the free world's response be to this barbaric terrorism?

 

1) we fought a bloody civil war to end slavery. 2) Show me an instance then.

You said it was all relative: SHOW ME that is true. It is YOUR claim, hold it up amigo.

Further: This is a yes or no question: Is raping a child's corpse an objectively wrong action? What about beheading a baby?

 

That's my point. That was done by radicals, not your everyday Muslim on the street. Huge difference.

 

How is it better? Show me IDF members raping a child's corpse like Hamas showed their "fighters" doing.
Show me the IDF beheading defenseless children like Hamas showed their "fighters" doing.

Further: OR, and this is a crazy idea here, the Palestinians can take some ****ing responsibility for electing Hamas in the first place and kill them.
If there are millions of innocent Palestinians and a minority of horrifying monsters sheltering amongst them, they can have a nice night or two of horrible violence slaying the monsters.
Present the heads and an apology, along with a commitment to a two state solution and peace. THAT is square biz.