And Yet People Defend Hamas

Ok

 

Only thing they apparently understand.

The reason there was no peace settlement was Hamas choice.

 

Do you have some sort of KIA numbers in the skirmishes the U.S. military has lost in that conflict?

 

I can see the point you are making. It relates to the long history of hostilities between the groups and any effort at finding a peaceful solution for these grievances is extinguished before they get a chance or working.
The hatreds and anger run deep now. BUT.......that does not excuse any of this extreme violence of terrorism. Hamas has just done more harm to themselves by taking this Horrific route of action.

 

Its a terrible time to ask posters to understand a world where acts of cruelty, and terror, do not justify acts of cruelty and terror as a response but we need to be people who look at this as a complicated and nuanced problem, and demand that all parties use restraint. Hamas has to go. They cannot be allowed to have power or authority because they will not exercise it with restraint. Israel has a right to defend itself in the face of this terrorist attack and its job is to remove Hamas. That is clear. it is also clear that its tactics cannot be indiscriminate. It cannot blockade Gaza if that blockade denies Gazans food, water, and electricity because that impacts an entire population of people and may lead to massive humanitarian death. We have to hope that calmer minds prevail in Israel. The United States cannot offer any support to a country that is describing and rationalizing tactics that may lead to the deaths of hundreds or thousands of innocent men women and children. We need to insist that food, water and electricity be re-established to Palestinians as a priority.

 

The Israeli guy said it best; if you're a hospital with no terrorists inside, then you're a hospital. If you're a hospital with terrorists inside, then you're a terrorist base.

 

Hamas can take care of them. Isn't that their ultimate goal?

 

And the UN supports terrorist regimes and is anti Israel.

 

No babies will intentionally be beheaded, only the Hamas animals did that.

 

what war?

 

Hey libs, you guys, gals, undecideds, don’t want Israel to kick ass and take names and negotiate peace. So in your world, what happens to the terrorists who actually murdered innocent people, do they get a pass and go free? How about the planners and weapon suppliers?

 

The inhumanity done under the guise of "self defense". History shows a pattern that indicates both parties have and continue to contribute to the ongoing resentment ,angst and path of destruction.
It has been going on for so long..... wonder if anyone ramblers WHAT the REAL issue is anymore. And How much do religious beliefs factor in??

 

I totally agree and I am not excusing them at all. I think the attack was horrific. But that does not justify keeping the cycle of violence going. Are we really going to cheer as civilians are starved to death, denied water and medicine, as well as having their homes leveled? What is that going to do besides ensure future generations of terrorists?
Again, I do not agree with Hamas’ attack even a little bit. I am completely disgusted by it. But the cycle needs toe end, preferably without genocide.

 

Take care of them with what? Last I heard they have three days of food and water tops, and that was yesterday.

 

This may be the last death rattle of any organized Palestinian political structure. I'll be surprised if the Israelis leave more than two or three bricks stuck together in Gaza.
The Palestinians were led into this cul-de-sac by decades of military incompetence and political stupidity. They have no one to blame but themselves. As the late Abba Eban observed: "The Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."

 

Oddly they thought that this type of propaganda would help.

We rarely see videos of the other side though, in fairness. Usually 10 Palestinians secured for every Israeli. I wonder what that looks like?

 

Proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

Hamas did this to their own people and they’re still in the loose.

 

The Israeli siege of Gaza is war by accepted international definition.

They can't even EXPORT!!

 

Detain them if possible, or kill them if they want to go down fighting. But do not harm non combatants in any way, including denying them food, water, or medicine. They have called up 300,000 troops. That is more than we had in Iraq at any point in the war, and we were covering a much larger area. They can conduct operations while remaining humane to civilians. What they are doing is out of spite, to make Palestinians suffer, and is completely unacceptable.
Both sides could have solved these issues years ago, and both sides choose to perpetuate the conflict.

 

Yes, they could well be set on genocide.

Eban has been dead for more than 20 years.

Outside of Arafat, there have been no "opportunities".

 

No-- I of course, had known, and have posted about the blockade. I had meant the intrigue you had mentioned, that Netanyahu's motivation had not originally been the safety of the Israeli people-- temporary blockades began after the Israel-Gaza conflict-- but rather the ruination of attempts of the Palestinians to self-govern.

 

Then it is the duty of Israel to help them. Humanity before vengeance, always.

 

Arafat walked away from Oslo. Because of that, every drop of blood spilled on every side since then is to the Palestinians' account.

 

Gaza has lived under siege for more than 20 years. There may be periods of allowing medicine to cross the border, or whatever, but in NO respect are they free of the siege.

They haven't even been allowed to fish their own national waters for food they so desperately need.

Netanyahu hasn't been easy to pin down on what his specific objectives for particular actions are. He strongly took action against the unity government of President Abbas. He claimed that the result would be that the Abbas government would be infused with terrorism. But Gaza is a small fraction of the total Palestinian population, and by having a central government, Hamas would be cut off from their major funding - the fees charged at border crossings.

Today, Hamas wins in part because they are the only ones that can distribute aid in Gaza. If that aid were to start coming from the unity government of Abbas, the power of Hamas would be seriously reduced. Many analysts believe Hamas would be ended, as Gazans aren't somehow all sold on the cycle of rockets fired and their infrastructure and apartment buildings them bombed.

The very first move Israel made in Gaza was to cut off Gaza's water and electricity supply. They can't make BREAD.

 

Indeed . This cycle of violence is the issue. As is the apathetic attempts to find a peaceful resolution so everyone can live and not fear being
attacked.

No sane person would support this act of terrorism. This act of terrorism is a symptom of something deeper and uglier. Humanity seems to fail to learn from it's own history.