Do you understand why people vote for Donald Trump?

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Do you understand why people vote for Trump?

  1. Yes

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  2. Sort of

    8 vote(s)
    13.3%
  3. No

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  4. Definitely not!

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  1. Bowerbird

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    In that case they should be voting Democrat.

    But poverty is not confined to one skin colour
     
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    Aren’t these also deeply “red” states?

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    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/poverty-crosses-party-lines/#AL

    Let’s look at who blames what for that poverty
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    https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...cans-and-democrats-have-very-different-views/
     
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    China is not about to go anywhere until it sorts its housing bubble collapse and the real reason we have two current wars comes down to Trumps Buddy Puty
     
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    What an enigma! Is this a compassionate conservative I once heard about? I thought those were extinct or mythological to begin with. Did they revive your species and find a habitat for it too? Was crispr required to create you?

    Or maybe this is all croc tears to justify not helping people whose generational poverty is related to past/current racism. Because other generational poverty exists? Probably
     
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    LOL, so this is a 20 yr plan or longer.
    Like everyone that immigrated here as a child or born here automatically votes Dem.
    If they even vote at all.

    It just gets crazier and crazier.
     
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    Hispanics in the US have an average of 2.6 children. That average takes into account childless couples, as well as those who have 10 kids.

    You think a 20 year plan is crazy? LBJ famously said: "I'll have those ******s voting democrat for 200 years!" He was referring, of course, to his 200 YEAR plan to enslave African Americans by making (and keeping) them WILLFULLY dependent on government for their survival. That is the exact same plan democrats have for the poor hispanic people they are allowing, and encouraging, to flood into our country. LBJ's 200 year plan has worked flawlessly for democrats so far. There's no reason it won't continue to work.
     
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    20 years. A lot can happen in 20 years. You might die, I might die or the horse might talk
     
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    You can be sure China is egging Iran on for our new two front war, so they have an easier time deciding whether to take Taiwan and push the USA out of the South China Sea.
    We are particularly vulnerable if Israel takes out Iran's oil refineries, since since Joe sold most of the SPR for votes, and we are not drilling enough of our own to supply refined petroleum.
    China is thriving on Biden's lack of leadership. The threat is for China to lock the USA out of the African continent, the Asian continent, and the southern part of South America.
    There is a big chess game going on. Our player is Joe Biden. :sleeping:
    If you aren't scared, you don't know what is going on.
     
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    They aren't kicking the men out to end the nuclear family.
     
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    energy diversity is important, this is why, if there is a shortage of oil overseas, America raises the price of our oil
     
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    If there is a cut in supply due to war it can be expected to take six to nine months to get US supplies to meet US demand. That is what the Strategic Reserve is for.
    Now that Biden used too much of it, the worry is other countries exploiting our vulnerability.
    The idea behind the SPR was to counter price hikes caused by external forces. Now we rely on foreign sources to smooth out spikes.
     
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    us oil prices goes up either way, American oil does not mean cheaper oil
     
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    Yes, it is crazy to know how people are going to vote 20 yrs into the future.
    What LBJ said 70 yrs ago is not relevant to today. Or 20 yrs into the future.
     
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    People who are dependent on government for their survival will ALWAYS vote for whomever vows to maintain and expand their dependence. LBJ's democrats knew it then, and Biden's democrats know it today. If you think formulating a 20 year plan is crazy, then you're probably a republican, because they do too, apparently.
     
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    Sorry.
    I don't buy RW talking points.

    NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE, can predict how anyone will vote in 20 yrs.
    Or even if they will vote.
    Lower income people vote at a less rate.

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    Voter participation increases with family income. During the 2016 presidential election, for instance, there was a clear positive association between family income and participation in voting (see chart). The 48 percent voting participation rate for families in the lowest income category in 2016 was a bit more than half of the 86 percent rate for families in the highest income category. The ratio of differences across income groups is qualitatively similar in other election years as well.
    https://econofact.org/voting-and-income
     
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    I would have thought this to have been implied, but when I am speaking of who people will cast their vote for, I am not talking about the people who don't vote.

    But, let me re-phrase so that it's less ambiguous:

    Those voters who are dependent on government for their survival, will ALWAYS vote for whomever vows to maintain and expand their dependence.
     
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    You asked me if there were any white people that were disadvantaged. I gave an example. Skin color has little to do with being poor. And yes, these are red states, so they should be voting Democratic. But with that said, I guess they see what voting Democratic in the past has gotten them ... poverty.
     
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    Who says they are dependent on gov't? Besides you?
    Most of the immigrants from the south are here to work. And they find jobs because they are available.
    They are not here for welfare.

    Wasn't a big RW talking point in 2020 about how many Latins were voting for trump? Especially in Fl?

    So don't give this nonsense you know how kids will vote in 20 yrs.
     
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    That is true of a lot of Trump's supporters, perhaps most. Nevertheless, traditional affluent Republicans liked the way he cut their taxes.

    Trump is fortunate in that Russia did not invade Ukraine and Hamas did not attack Israel until after he left office. He takes credit for the fact that these disasters did not happen until he left office, but he does not deserve to.

    My hatred for Trump is visceral, but I can understand why others feel differently about him.
     
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    The jobs unskilled Hispanics take are jobs welfare recipients can and should be taking. If we eliminate most of the welfare system and increase the severity of the criminal justice system we will enjoy much tax savings and have an easier time controlling our borders.
     
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    Beginning with the Reagan administration economic growth has accumulated at the top.

    inequality.jpg

    Most whites would rather blame this on the government and the Democrats than on the rich who keep getting richer and the Republicans who skew things in favor of the rich.

    Most whites like and admire rich people and believe, however irrationally, that hard work will make them rich before they die.

    A final factor that favors Trump and the GOP is that Republicans appeal to social issues that resonate with most whites.The Democrats have succeeded in suppressing the expression of hostility toward blacks. The hostility remains, and is directed against the Democrats and the government.
     
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    The following poster captures Trump's appeal to lower income whites who know that their lives have been getting worse.

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    How many on the welfare system are capable of doing those jobs?
    Got some statistics/data?
     
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    Yes. Lot of Americans are gullible and ignorant and they are easy pray for conmen.


    The ad below summarizes what Hermann Goering said when he was asked how they managed to get people to support the absurdity of the Nazi regime. All you have to do it tell people they are under attack , or people are "after them", and only you can save them. People fall for it every time.

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    it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

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    They don't abandon their parties. Registered voters practically always vote for their parties. Trumps problem in 2020, and also in 2024 is that most independents hate him, and they decide the winner.

    Yes, its like having people divided in Pepsi vs Coca Cola camps, and its not new. Same stuff with slightly different flavor in a different can.



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