Do you understand why people vote for Donald Trump?

It's called distrust. bozo.

Meaningless, like the deep state nonsense.

 

So you were provided the link and a copy of the article and are still....distrustful.
You be you.....

 

It's a nothingburger.
Like your deep state

You be you.

 

So you claim your boys did NOT sign off on the Biden laptop? Is that where we are at?

 

My boys?
Absolutely. I have no boys.

I said the story is a nothingburger.
Just like the silly deep state.

 

Congratulations.

 

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Dude, YOU should be interested enough in the topic to do a little research FOR YOURSELF, and either refute his viewpoint with what you find, or modify your own with the new information you discover. Seekers of truth do this continuously. On the other hand, propagandists or their useful partisan parrots, do things like attack the messenger, nit-pick spelling and grammar, deflect and distract, ridicule, etc... or just dismiss ideas based on technicalities, like you have in this instance. You're better than that, I think.

So, on your behalf, I have googled the rather ambiguous phrase: '50 people signed'. The very first result (for me) is a politico article that includes a link to the full text of the letter including the names of all the signatories. I believe that to be the original article that @Irie was trying to reference, and that you seemed to dismiss with ridicule, due to technicality.

There is much other content included in those search results that one might use to form their own opinion on the topic of the now infamous "russian disinformation" letter. A more narrowly focused search phrase would, no doubt, return even more information, but I purposefully used an overly ambiguous term to illustrate how simple would have been for you to have found this on your own. That you had apparently never heard of this letter prior this thread is, frankly, difficult to believe. The LW propaganda outlets did blanket coverage on it in a 24 hour loop when it was politically advantageous to the Bidens. Biden even referenced it in the debates, if I recall. Any person who has any interest at all in politics would not have been able to avoid knowledge of this topic.

If I were arguing from your side of the table, I would point to the "escape hatch" verbiage they included in the letter that gave the signatories a plausible way out when the inevitable collapse of the narrative ultimately happened. I'll leave that argument to you to discover and make, if you care to.

 

There's nothing to refute.

Until the poster is capable of providing his story.

 

You have already refuted his story out of hand by not having the intellectual curiosity to research its veracity. It is a refutation of willful ignorance, if you will, and a fairly common tactic of posters here. You do not feel the onus is on you to challenge your own beliefs. Truth seekers never use this tactic. Don't believe everything you think.

But, I did the research for you, and provided you with a link to an opinion piece from the time, that includes the complete text of the letter in question in pdf form, which you might have seen if you had bothered to read past the first sentence of my post. I even showed you a way to logically refute his argument, rather than dismiss him on a technicality.

Look, I don't have a horse in this race. I just though it intellectually lazy of you to have dismissed it like you did. I know enough about you as a fellow long time poster here to think you're better than that.

 

I've never been interested in the Russian election stories.
No clear evidence was presented from either side.
I do dismiss it as propaganda.

The laptop story has been around for years.
Emails supposedly released.
Not much happened. Even when trump had the DoJ.
So 50 signed doesn't seem to matter much.

It certainly doesn't aide his deep state claim.

 

Fair enough. I'll let @Irie argue his case for the existence of a deep state.

I personally think the letter is compelling evidence that the deep state exists. But, my stated position that our elected Federal officials are nothing but kabuki figureheads dancing on the strings of unseen forces behind the curtain is no secret.

The irony in that letter is that it is supposed to be a cautionary text warning officials about the danger of unelected bureaucrats and foreign actors working to influence the election through a dis/misinformation campaign. When the letter, in and of itself, was nothing but exactly that!

 

Would a deep state out themselves?
Go public?
I figured they'd be anonymous.

 

I don't think they would prefer to be outed, and I do think they want to be less public now. To some extent, I think the "Trump effect" forced them from the shadows. They had counted on a deep state team player (HRC) winning the election in 2016, and were blindsided when she didn't.

 

I disagree.
Who besides the 50 are in this deep state?

The other poster gave only 2 names. Of people that got fired.

 

Pretty much every non-elected government employee that has actively worked to undermine a duly elected president, regardless of which president, and regardless of political affiliation. It didn't start with Trump, and it hasn't ended since. Trump just drew attention to it.

And, it won't end... because, the infestation is so pervasive that to rid our governance of it would require burning the entire government to the ground and starting over from scratch, and that can't happen. Metaphorically, the surgery required to cure the "deep state" disease is so invasive that it would kill the patient. The only non-violent control The People have to fix this is at the ballot box. But, the ones we elect do not have the power, or will, or motivation, or courage to challenge the deep state. We saw what happened the last time someone threatened to drain the swamp.

 

Which is no one AFAIK.
2 maybe, that were fired. But I'm not sure that qualifies as a deep state. Just people's opinions.

If it's so pervasive, it should be well known and so should those involved.

A person that is lower than the swamp could never drain any swamp.
Also, that person never cared for anything but that person himself. There was no attempt to drain anything. That admin hired the most people that have been convicted of some sort of crime. Making that admin the swamp.

 

Gives him the "GREATEST" of credibility!

 

Do you understand why people vote for Donald Trump?

Yes.
The people running against him.

 

Where is the laptop?