Do you understand why people vote for Donald Trump?

True, independents really dislike Trump. But the difference between 2020 and 2024 is independents liked Biden in 2020 and now dislike him and don’t want him as the next president as much as they dislike and don’t want Trump. Which is the reason for the tie today between Biden and Trump. 30% of independents have a favorable view of Trump, 59% negative or unfavorable, question 18C. 34% of independents have a positive or favorable view of Biden, 60% negative or unfavorable, question 19A.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_8o4rs21.pdf

Biden has fallen into Trump territory as to the dislike factor. 2024 is a completely different election than 2020. It has more in common with 2016, another election between two disliked and unwanted candidates to become the next president. Speaking of unwantedness, 60% of all Americans don’t want Biden to run again, 56% don’t want Trump to run again either. Question 14 and 15. You can get a look at independents there also.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_wyX9VrC.pdf

As for how all Americans view these two, here are their favorable/unfavorable for all Americans.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/other/FavorabilityRatingsPoliticalLeaders.html

Not only has Biden dropped down to Trump levels among independents, he also has dropped to Trump levels among all Americans. Which makes this upcoming election a 100% pure tossup which it has been since January.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html

 

They can speak English. They are young and vigorous enough to have illegitimate children and to commit a whole lot of crimes. They are plenty capable.

 

I dont think Biden ever had a solid fan base, and his only job was to get Trump out of the office. IMO he will actually drop out of the race around Jan citing some kind oh health reason, and then other Dems will step out and campaign for the spot. Its too early, but if Trump wins the nomination and his face is on TV every day again, people will remember what they had to listen to for 4 years and they will say no. People have a natural dislike for whiners, blame-shifters and those who steal credit from those who deserve it.

 

I agree on the fan base. Biden was elected to be a transition president between Trump and whoever came next. Not to run for reelection. Biden’s sole mission was accomplished the day he beat Trump. Biden owes his win to what I call the anti-voters. Those who just vote against a candidate, but not for any candidate. Who the other candidate was they’re voting against is totally irrelevant? Biden won this group of anti-voters 68-30 over Trump. They weren’t voting for Biden, just against Trump. Unknown to most is Trump won those voters who were voting for a candidate because they really wanted that candidate to become the next president, to win, 53-46 over Biden.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

I agree that having Trump on TV during the general election campaign will remind voters, especially independents why they disliked him so much. But if Biden looks old and feeble, a good possibility that could negate the reminder. It could also send voters to third party candidate or just plain staying home as they don’t like the two major party choices one bit. Again, more akin to 2016 than 2020, but probably even more so. Most Americans already view both Biden and Trump unfit to serve as president.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-mos...-not-fit-to-serve-as-president-133443536.html

As I said before, this may be our first, “Who cares who wins election,” as I suspect going by the numbers today, the third party vote will be higher than in 2016, 6%, 8.2 million and voter turnout will be lower, 54%, 137 million using VAP. Compare those figures to 2020, 1.8%, 2.8 million third party voters, 62%, 160 million voter turnout. Most Americans don’t want to make a choice between Biden and Trump, they want someone else. But the major parties are dead set on giving us that rematch. Both tell most Americans to stick it where the sun don’t shine.

 

Are they?
Where are they?

 

Many of those swamp creatures are appointees, not elected officials.

 

Sure. What are some of their names?

 

Bill, John, Martha.....seriously, are you not aware of the political appointee process?

As of 2016, there were around 4,000 political appointment positions which an incoming administration needs to review, and fill or confirm, of which about 1,200 require Senate confirmation.[2][3] The White House Presidential Personnel Office (PPO) is one of the offices most responsible for political appointees and for assessing candidates to work at or for the White House.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_appointments_in_the_United_States

 

Just because positions need to be filled doesn't make that the deep state.
2016? Those positions would then be filled by trump admin.

Since you can't even give a single name, I don't think this deep state is real.

 

Of course you don't think there are hyperpartisan nominees. Myself...not so naive...

 

Disagree.
I think you are very naive.

If you had something factual, you'd be able to give some names.

 

LMFAO. You doubt government appointees are partisan, some hyper-partisan, and I am the naive one. Okey dokey, you go with that.

 

So a member of the gov't that votes for 1 of the 2 parties is what you call deep state?

Now I know how naive that is. Yes you are very naive.

 

Yeah, you never heard or Strozk or Page... dohhhhh.

 

Yes, and?

 

They didn't attack because they are scared shitless of him, and because he was unpredictable. Same thing for China and North Korea. This is something that the far left libs will never understand. These same countries couldn't care less about Biden, they have no fear of him at all ... and it shows.

 

They were not elected officials and did not act in an apolitical way. That clearly doesn't bother you, but these folks patently define what it is to be a "swamp creature".

You asked for names, as if what I was telling you was fantasy. I feed you names, and the fact that there are thousands of such positions, and your response is basically so what.

 

How did they not act apolitical? And you can't use emails to each other as proof.
But something done as part of their job.

You fed names, now explain how 2 people make them the deep state. What did they do?

 

You started out questioning the existance of non elected partisans.. then you moved to demanding some of their names, because you doubted they existed, presumably. Now you suggest there were just 2. Typical trite dim MO.

'We'll stop' Trump from becoming president."
I'm sure you'll need another example....no?

 

And?
Did they stop trump from becoming president?

Guess they were not part of any fictitious deep state.

 

F*** all, since they didn't stop a guy from winning an election in 2016 they have no power to impact US politics.

To call you naive would be a compliment.

 

That would be correct. They were powerless.
And fired when those emails and texts were found.

So much for a deep state. LOL.

 

So since they didn't manage to stop the 2016 election, that means they couldn't have affected any other change. Just brilliant.

Steeple thinking is so hilarious.

 

Here is another example for you to ignore....

Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former ...

Politico
https://www.politico.com › news › 2020/10/19 › hunt...
Oct 19, 2020 — More than 50 former intelligence officials signed a letter casting doubt on the provenance of a New York Post story on the former vice

 

The 50 plus asses who signed the now infamous Hunter Laptop letter saying it was likely Russian dis-information, would beg to differ. The deep state is alive and well in DC. And the hatred of anything Trump runs a very close second.