Indicted Republican lawmaker George Santos expelled from U.S. House

DC is having fun with this.... Everybody should consider buying an "Adios Santos" cocktail, while supplies last

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dc-diner-unveils-adios-santos-195447951.html

OTOH... a grapefruit margarita??? For $10??? Yikes...

 

WIKIPEDIA-

n the entire history of the United States Congress, 21 Members have been expelled: 15 from the Senate and 6 from the House of Representatives. 17 of these 21 were expelled for supporting the Confederate States in 1861 and 1862. One member's expulsion, Senator William K. Sebastian of Arkansas, was posthumously reversed. The U.S. Constitution requires that vacancies in the House of Representatives be filled with a special election. Censure has been a much more common form of disciplinary action in Congress over the years, as it requires a much lower threshold of votes to impose.

 

Santos was chosen by the election process, but at the moment he took the oath of office he became an employee- of the Federal Goverment, which is in effect an agency employed by the people, to work for the people. Getting elected is not being anointed, it is being chosen for a job. That job has duties, which are defined by several things, including the sworn oath of office and the Fiduciary Duty that applies to all people
who hold positions with sway over the finances or welfare of others. If you sum up the meaning of fiduciary duty, it means the person must make all decisions in the best interests of those he represents, perform all tasks of that duty honestly, and provide complete transparency of those actions to those he represents.

IF we held Congress to that standard, which they are legally and morally obligated to- we would expel all of them. I don't mean they are all crooks; I mean the enforcement of ethics in government is virtually non-existent, and what is there is used politically. When the rules aren't enforced, there are no rules- and chaos replaces order. Look at the chaos in Congress and you are looking at the result of having no actual means of enforcing rules. They have rules- but they have become cosmetic window dressing.

I think we are entitled to an honest government- all the time, all the ways. No excuses, they work for us. When you hire someone to do a job and instead they use it to enrich themselves at your expense, you FIRE them. The Santos expulsion is Congress getting rid of an embarrassment calling attention to the corruption, not cleaning its own house.

Don't read too much into it.

 

Here is some historic information concerning expelled representatives from congress: In 1861, there were three that were expelled with a vote count of 94-45. The three were John B. Clark, John W. Reid, both Democrats from Missouri, and Henry C. Burnett, a Democrat from Kentucky. The reason they were expelled was that they supported Confederate rebellion. This was during the Civil War. In 1980, A Democrat from Kentucky, Michael J. Myers was expelled 376-30. because of the Abscam Scandal. In 2002, a Democrat from Ohio James Traficant was expelled with the vote of 420-1, because he was Convicted on ten counts including bribery, conspiracy to defraud the United States, corruption, obstruction of justice, tax evasion, and racketeering. and now George Santos the sixth person and the fi. rst Republican to be expelled 311-114, due to Findings of fraud by the House Ethics Committee. There you have it. It seems that senators and congressional representatives better behave themselves or they get the ax if you know what I mean.



That's all for now

 

He’s obviously a highly ethical and a highly skilled collegiate athlete. And a well paid money manager. How could they expel him?!

 

George Manboobs Santos is a great man. He’s being persecuted! It’s a politically inspired witch hunt!

Has the Orange Dogturd weighed in on this?

 

His athletics are of the verbal gymnastics variety (lise, and creative fantasies to bolster his persona ) He has a lot in common with DJT... where lies and overt psychological projection have been developed into state of the art level. Neither is grounded in reality.

The concerning part is that if this is all that we can expect in the quality of politicisms ....this nation is in trouble.

(Trump is a classic in projection, which is part f his paranoia. ) Both are Pathological LIARS
Santos lives in an ongoing and creative fantasy of who he is etc etc. At this point, not sure he knows what is factual anymore. Both are very concerned abut their superficial image

 

He's all yours Republicans, forever and ever and the few Dems who also voted "nay".


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9 hours ago — A second post claimed Santos will file an ethics complaint against Representative Mike Lawler for "questionable campaign finance violations." On ...

 

If he goes through with it, It might be a challenge keeping up with all the litigation going on between him and DJT. Forensic files on steroids..

 

oh, god.
Pudge is so predictable and transparent.
Just like Trump.
Another "***** Ass Bitch" sociopath but this one is broke, '

'The social media posts started just before midnight on Friday, hours after Santos was expelled from Congress.

In the posts, Santos first questioned Rep. Nicole Malliotakis' stock trading, seemingly implying she used inside information.


A second post claimed Santos will file an ethics complaint against Rep. Mike Lawler for "questionable campaign finance violations."


Santos also accused fellow freshman Long Island Rep. Nick LaLota of attending law school while he was supposed to be working at the Board of Elections.


In the posts, Santos claimed he will be filing the ethics reports against his former colleagues on Monday.'

https://abc7ny.com/george-santos-social-media-ethics-committee-x-posts/14132429/

 

George Santo is making a big mistake if he tries to get revenge on some people in congress. It might backfire on him if he doesn't watch out. I believe Santos will suffer consequences which might happen,

 

So, ethical considerations should be shelved because you might be worried about how morons might react…?

 

and very Jew-ish he says

 

Hey spiritgide, you're a little late to the party.

"Congress needs to be cleaned up, but it also needs civility and unity on it's common purpose of serving the people- and expulsion on the current basis could turn it into a pissing match instead."



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Santos plans to file complaints against four members of congress. What would that accomplish? I guarentee you that it won't bring back his seat in congress, we all know that. Santos is gone for good and the decision on it is permanent and final.

 

Yes, I'm afraid some might read things wrong., and we know it will happen no matter how clear the statements are. You did it, and when people who think they understand don't understand they make bad decisions. That IS the problem. People drawing conclusions that are wrong because they don't see anything but what they want to see.
Did you read anything that said ethical considerations should be shelved? NO.
Did you ignore the opening sentence stating the opposite in large bold text below? YES.
Can I control that? NO.
Can YOU control that? YES.

I know what I say will be mis-interpreted by some kinds of people. I hold them responsible for their own short-comings.


spiritgide said: ↑
Right? Yes- and no.

Yes, in that Congress should consist of people of the highest ethical standards. However, the support of that value is so lacking that most members would be at risk if held to that standard.
That's in part due to the caliber of the people, but even more due to the fact that Congress as a whole is a game where bending the rules of ethics is standard and acceptable practice.
That's why it is in chaos; it lacks the means to enforce it's own ethical standards. They are window dressing, not effective rules.

It's wrong because this is a peer to peer action. It's not independent, and if common, it would instantly become a political weapon rather than a disciplinary one. Effective rules of ethics are consistent limits of conduct, not a fog. Congress has no effective rules of ethics.

This is only the third time that Congress has expelled a member since the end of the civil war. On one hand, that sounds like they are finally making some effort to clean house, but the fact is that the process as it stands is more likely to trigger a huge partisan battle than it is to clean anything up. Congress needs to be cleaned up, but it also needs civility and unity on it's common purpose of serving the people- and expulsion on the current basis could turn it into a pissing match instead.

Think of Congress as if it were a ball game, but one with no umpires or referees; where the players themselves made the calls. Congress has the consitutional power to expel, but in the same provision is allowed to make it's own rules. Expulsion is completely arbitrary; no reason at all is required. With a sufficient majority, one party could simply expel the other.

However, if Congress made a rule that said certain misconducts subjected the offender to expulsion and then created a genuinely independent oversight panel to monitor behaviors and make the call when those rules were violated. If they did that, the political element would be removed and it would be totally related to the conduct violating the standards they are sworn to uphold.

Just this morning a repost of a comment illustrates the problem-

 

Reasonable, honorable people with good values can come together and work together to solve common problems.

People lacking reason, honor and values- cannot work together, they only create and exacerbate problems.

Congress is the collective Navigator of the American journey. There are both kinds of people in it. This is not an issue of their party- but of their character and honor.

You have to decide if you want it to be controlled by honor and values, or endless bullshit behavior.

IF you like the bullshit, then you can continue to rant about the players and moves in the game, and it will continue.

IF you want to get rid of the bullshit and have a functional nation, you are going to have to look at the rules of the game, and why those rules are allowing the bullshit to persist.

Then- You are going to have to FIX THAT PROBLEM. It is a question of cleaning your own house, keeping order. Congress cannot and will not do that.

We can't prevent the election of people unfit for office.
We could remove them from office, because there are constitutional powers to do so.
But those powers are peer powers- not independent, which makes them ineffective.
It's like a baseball game without umpires, where the players make their own calls. Every one becomes an argument.
Congress needs an umpire, a totally non-partisan oversight with the power to make the calls and enforce the primary rules of ethics. No about politics, just ETHICS.
That CAN BE DONE........ and the tool to do it is on the way. IF the people want an honorable, functional Congress, they will support it.

 

I don't know that they have changed their minds on that.

 

I believe all the Dems voted for this yet refuse to do so with their own.

 

Such as?? Menendez? Where is his damnng ethics report? Where is the expulsion referral?? Which I'll point out can be brought by either side...

(I'll assume it's coming, but even MAGA must recognize the situations are currently different??... For once)

 

And you agree with Graham?

 

Yes he did as I cited in the thread where we are discussing it and you could not refute.

 

Oh you are claiming NOTHING about Menendez and he and his wife's corrupt behavior has come forth?

 

You simply cannot teach an old MAGA new tricks.... such as comparing situations for equivalency...

And regarding expusion, his wife's activities are not relevant...

 

Did you even read his post? Christ.