Indicted Republican lawmaker George Santos expelled from U.S. House

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  1. Hey Now

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    Contortionist extraordinaire!!!! The man has no backbone or spine left!
     
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    As long as those replacement knees hold out!
     
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    Expelling Santos before his trial is another obviously and exceptionally stupid move for our corrupt bipartisan ruling political class.

    “Santos has not been convicted of anything yet. The comedic absurdity of his actions—having lied about “his distinguished Wall Street background, Jewish heritage, academic and athletic achievements, animal rescue work, real estate holdings and more,” as the AP put it—do not render him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the crimes of which he has been accused. That is for a jury to decide. Expelling Santos post-conviction would have been fully justified; pushing him out beforehand is not.”
    THE ATLANTIC, Expelling George Santos Was a Mistake, Forcing the New York representative out of the House after a conviction would have been justified; pushing him out beforehand is not., By Adam Serwer, DECEMBER 1, 2023, 1:26 PM ET.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/12/george-santos-expulsion-congress-mistake/676210/

    That said, for ordinary American observers, it is always entertaining to watch professional politicians blow holes in their own cloven hooves. ;-)
     
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    'Republican congressman says George Santos defrauded him and his mother'
    'Rep. Max Miller argued for expelling Santos from office in a letter to colleagues, saying that the New Yorker's campaign charged his and his mother's credit cards without approval.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...santos-personally-defrauded-mother-rcna127611


    'You're a woman beater': Fabulist George Santos fires back ...
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    Daily Mail
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-12811221

    6 hours ago — Santos is hitting back at his GOP colleagues, calling Ohio Rep. Max Miller a 'woman beater' ahead of his expulsion vote.
     
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    Oy Vey!

    So Max was accused of slapping Trump's Press Secretary, the P.S.who never held a briefing for the nine months she held the position.
    Grisham didn't name Max in her book but on with Jake Tapper she admitted it was him.
    Miller denied the accusation and sued her for defamation.

    Santos:
    'He pointed out that Miller himself had been accused of being a woman beater, referring to an incident in 2020 where Miller was accused of slapping his then-girlfriend and former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham.
     
  6. Izzy

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    Maybe Pudge will get drunk tonight and either hit the bars or hit Twitter/X and do the ***** Ass Bitch routine?
    Good times ahead for sure, he did say yesterday that he's gonna "name names".
     
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    So they voted to remove him from office despite no criminal conviction?
     
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    Quite obviously.

    But don’t forget this was a bipartisan vote. Republicans wanted him out. They are the ones breaking new ground here.
     
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    We wish, but... Many people look the other way as long as they get what they want. I think we should all focus on local politics and make sure these folks are playing by the rules.
     
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    He’s made this false claim before. I called him on it, and he went down in flames. He must think nobody remembers that.
     
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    Santo's office had the locks changed and that's the end of it
     
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    On the bright side he still has a neck to clutch those pearls to.
     
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    In his final moments, he did one good thing. He brought the R's and the D's together (in one brief shining moment) together so he could be ousted.
     
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    The NYer should have stated when this interview took place, was he in office or not?
    What a doozy, damn demented that he brings his little niece into his toxic delusions.



    Here's Every Single Lie Told by George Santos
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    New York Magazine
    https://nymag.com › intelligencer › article › guide-geor...

    3 minutes ago — George Santos is facing 23 federal charges including identity theft, wire fraud, money laundering, and lying to Congress.


    'His niece did not get kidnapped either.'
    In a long series of interviews with the New York Times published in October 2023, Santos said that his five-year-old niece once disappeared from a playground in Queens and was discovered on a surveillance camera 40 minutes later with two Chinese men. Santos believed that his criticism of the Chinese government could have set his family up as a target. “Look, I don’t want to go into like, conspiracy theory,” he told the Times. “But you know, if the shoe fits, right?”

    Naturally, the Times vetted the story with the New York Police Department. “We found nothing at all to suggest it’s true,” an NYPD official said. “I’d lean into, ‘he made it up.’”
     
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    In the words of Lindsey Graham
    "You don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitutional republic if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office."

    In the words of Dershowitz
    "It certainly doesn't have to be a crime if you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to our liberty, you don't need a technical crime,”

    Of course that was before they fell under the spell of Evil
     
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    Of course, but wrong credit.
    A majority of gop still voted to keep that degenerate in congress.
    It was the dems who voted for his ouster.
     
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    As if we didn't need more evidence that the Republican Party wants the same thing as the Democrat Party. They have intentionally weakened their power. They are there to pretend to oppose the Democrat Party.
     
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    Maybe both parties want to get rid of someone who has demonstrated that he is completely corrupt. That has no ethics whatsoever. Someone who has committed crimes.

    Tge Republicans have shown some backbone in doing this even if it weakens them in the HoR. Good for them.
     
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    Right? Yes- and no.

    Yes, in that Congress should consist of people of the highest ethical standards. However, the support of that value is so lacking that most members would be at risk if held to that standard.
    That's in part due to the caliber of the people, but even more due to the fact that Congress as a whole is a game where bending the rules of ethics is standard and acceptable practice.
    That's why it is in chaos; it lacks the means to enforce it's own ethical standards. They are window dressing, not effective rules.

    It's wrong because this is a peer to peer action. It's not independent, and if common, it would instantly become a political weapon rather than a disciplinary one. Effective rules of ethics are consistent limits of conduct, not a fog. Congress has no effective rules of ethics.

    This is only the third time that Congress has expelled a member since the end of the civil war. On one hand, that sounds like they are finally making some effort to clean house, but the fact is that the process as it stands is more likely to trigger a huge partisan battle than it is to clean anything up. Congress needs to be cleaned up, but it also needs civility and unity on it's common purpose of serving the people- and expulsion on the current basis could turn it into a pissing match instead.

    Think of Congress as if it were a ball game, but one with no umpires or referees; where the players themselves made the calls. Congress has the consitutional power to expel, but in the same provision is allowed to make it's own rules. Expulsion is completely arbitrary; no reason at all is required. With a sufficient majority, one party could simply expel the other.

    However, if Congress made a rule that said certain misconducts subjected the offender to expulsion and then created a genuinely independent oversight panel to monitor behaviors and make the call when those rules were violated. If they did that, the political element would be removed and it would be totally related to the conduct violating the standards they are sworn to uphold.

    Just this morning a repost of a comment illustrates the problem-

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    Enough GOP figured it out to get to 2/3rds... With this group of idiots, you have to recognize ANY momemtary day of reason (apologies to Pink Floyd)
     
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    That tweet is typical snowflake MAGA attitude...

    Note that "they" didn't do anything.... a bipartisan vote yesterday...

    I'll suggest it's going to be just as easy, if not easier, to primary those that voted to keep this slime in Congress...
     
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    Don't forget that Santos was a freshman in Congress. That means that in the heirarchy of power that is Congress, he had little power, and lacked the strong connections of the entrenched members.

    That means it was much easier to throw him under the bus, and create the appearance of some kind of ethical integrity. I agree he was unfit, but was far from the only person in that category.
    There's a degree of token purpose here. The action is not a sign of integrity and ethics returning to congress; I think more of a cosmetic one to make it appear so.
     
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    I'd be amazed if you ever put down your bias and accepted common sense.
    You don't have to be smart or wise to see how the current process of expulsion could become a weapon of political war- so I'm wondering why you don't
     
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