Maine strips Trump from the ballot, inflaming legal war over his candidacy

it's valid imo, and he should be removed from the ballot

but the SC will reverse it I am guessing, even though we all saw what happened and how he supported them, even said he loved them after it was over, even talked pardons after it was over

just like people had the right to question Obama's citizenship, people have a right to question this, the courts will decide

 

"If they violate the constitution then Trump can try to get it rectified in time before the primaries by appealing all the way up to the Supreme Court if necessary to overcome the activist judges and Secretary of States. If Americans can't vote for their preferred candidate in the meantime, I don't mind."

 

What did they achieve? How about making total asses and cartoons out of themselves while smearing every Conservative in the country with the imputation that anyone who was right-of-center were JUST LIKE THEM. They succeeded, wildly... especially with all those in the radical-Left faction who were spring-loaded to think that anyone who isn't a Leftist MUST be some kind of "Nazi"....

."Keep pushing that 'woke' crap and you may get your wish...."

 

so if Trump tried an insurrection today, you think he should still be able to be president, cause we could never do a trial before the election?

people know what happened, Trump screwed up, he organized it, invited them there, tried to steal the election for himself.... he should have let his supporters do that, plausible deniability - he put himself in the middle of it

we have the j-6ers themselves saying as much

 

I know you are not going to understand this, but this truly sounds like crazy talk. "so if Trump tried an insurrection today..." What would that even look like?

It's very difficult to engage in discussions like this when we don't have any agreement of what reality is. Sorry.

 

The MAGA’s objective was based on flawed theory that Mike Pence/Vice-President had the power to single-handedly reject certain electors during Congress’ Electoral College Certification Process.

Note; Mike Pence said in a statement issued minutes before he was to begin presiding over a joint session of Congress to count those votes that it was “my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.”

Question; Who were the fools on this site who believed in said flawed theory?

Answer; To my knowledge, there were many.

 

Aaaaaaaand here we go!

Maine GOP state lawmaker moves to impeach state secretary over Trump ballot removal

In Maine, the people do not elect the Secretary of State, Attorney General or Treasurer," Andrews told Fox News Digital. "They are chosen by elected Democrat Party insiders after deals are made in the back room of State House."

"Shenna Bellows knows that the process that put her there is extremely partisan," he continued. "She should know better and be going out of her way to be as neutral as possible to serve every citizen in Maine and not just registered Democrats."

"That’s why she swore an oath to the Constitution and not the Democrat Party," he added. "We are still a republic, but moves like this fracture that foundation, which ultimately is the point of all this."

Andrews said in his statement that he wants to impeach Bellows "on the grounds that she is barring an American citizen and [the] 45th President of the United States, who is convicted of no crime or impeachment, their right to appear on a Maine Republican Party ballot in March.
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"A Secretary of State APPOINTED by legislative Democrats bans President Trump from the 2024 ballot so that she can jockey for position in the 2026 Democrat Primary for Governor," Andrews said. "Banana Republic isn't just a store at the mall."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ma...-impeach-state-secretary-trump-ballot-removal

 

I wouldn't expect a Democrat-appointed Judge to rule any other way. Oh, BTW, all of the judges on the Colorado Supreme Court were appointed by Democrat governors.... Surprised?! Not me. I live in Colorado and it's easy to see how the radical Left in Denver runs EVERYTHING of any importance here.

The picture and slogan were intended to be a sarcastic caricature of what the radical-Left thinks Trump was commanding that crowd of morons to do on Jan.6, when in fact he simply made another of his bombastic speeches, told the crowd that the election had been stolen, and then when things were getting out of hand, he told the crowd to be peaceful. Did the mainstream media bother to mention THAT?

 

That isn't what I said, is it?...lol

 

what do you think it looks like

is trying to take over the Capital by force to prevent the election from being certified an insurrection, as the goal is to override the will of the voters, throw out their votes?

 

Only if you're talking about teens rebelling against their parents. Rebelling against the government though IS a crime. There is even statute law that says so.

Only if you wish to ignore the 5th and 6th Amendments.

Actually the exact words are "shall have engaged". There is only one way to determine if someone engaged in an act which is a crime. Through the criminal court system.

 

ALL Presidents are allowed to. Doesn't matter how much you claim otherwise.

 

Who says it has to come from public opinion POLLS?

 

So when Trump said to protest peacefully, that was code for prevent the election from being certified?

Lol, ok...

 

And around and around we go….

The determination under Article 14 DOES NOT REQUIRE CONVICTION OF A CRIME…! It is an assessment of whether or not the person “engaged in” or “gave support” to certain actions…

Yes, if the person is to be CHARGED AND CONVICTED OF A CRIME, Amendments 5 and 6 come into play…but this is NOT what happened here……….no matter how many times you people try to pretend that it did…!

 

Even their Democrat Congressman has said this is ridiculous.

 

If “norms” have been broken, you can lay the blame at the clay feet of your s**t-stained idol…

 

Show me where in Amendment 14, section 3 it says that a criminal conviction is not required. Or where it shows that it is just an "assessment" that does not have to be determined through a criminal court, but through opinion.

 

It's bad when the Trump haters lose CNN.

CNN legal expert rips Maine ruling to remove Trump from ballot: Would 'never pass' muster in 'normal cour

CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig ripped Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows’ decision to remove former President Trump from the state’s primary ballot, claiming it was based on evidence that would "never pass the bar in normal court."

Honig made his comments on "Anderson Cooper 360" Thursday night, arguing that the main problem with her decision to bar Trump from the ballot is that it is not certain that he engaged in "insurrection" under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-l...e-trump-ballot-never-pass-muster-normal-court

 

I don't think Trump broke any norm that's comparable to this attempt to end the democratic process.

 

And you're on every tRaitor tRump thread like paint. You should change your name to Sherwin Williams ... you got it covered.

 

No, no…you have it bass-ackwards…If you claim that Amendment 14 requires a conviction, then present your evidence…! You know, the whole ‘burden of proof’ detail…?

 

Then I think you need a new prescription for those glasses you’re wearing…

 

That's just horseshit; the Colorado Supreme's are renown for their impartiality. There is NOTHING more radical, in Colorado than Bimbo-bert. She's, without question, the most embarrassing thing to come out of Colorado in my lifetime. I was born in Denver, raised on the West Slope and retired on the Front Range, I can't think of anything or anyone else, from Colorado I haven't been proud of. But Bimbo-bert? Cheese us trucking rice all Friday ...

 

The claim that a criminal conviction is not required because its just an administrative action to enforce the 14th amendment sec 3 came from your side. The onus is on you to show where the 14th Amendment, sec 3 says that such is not required and that all that is required is an administrative action.