Trump says he would encourage Russia to ‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO country that do

It was a trump quote I posted. I made no other comments on it.
If there was an exaggeration, it came from trumps mouth.

However, trump has a track record of supporting Russia over allies.

 

As a percentage of GDP, defense spending by European allies fell from an average of 2 percent in 1995–1999 to 1.5 percent in 2014, while that of the United States went up from 3.1 percent to 3.4 percent in the same period. In 1995, U.S. defense expenditure accounted for 59 percent of overall NATO defense spending; in 2015, the rate was above 70 percent.

Trump told NATO members they either need to get on the program or defend themselves. And he is right. The US doesn't need NATO. NATO needs the US. Always has.

Since Trump proposed the US may leave NATO, 11 members have made good on the 2014 pledge.

 

You mean like this sky is falling post by you?

Give me a break. lol

 

Of course spending has had it's ups and downs, due to various factors, internal and external, not the least of which would be the 2007-08 financial crisis, etc. Whatever the level, US spending is spending on the US. The US has its own reasons for increasing, or whatever, its expenditure.
And of course the 2% level can be used politically.
Bottom line is, since 2014, 11 countries have accomplished 2% (compared to three) and a further 11 countries are within 0.5%.
Increases are continual and began in 2014, before Trump's complaints. A key motivating factor triggering the 2014 agreement and a renewed effort to reach 2% was Putin - Russian aggression in Crimea and Ukraine.

 

Enough with the repetitions. Stats have been posted, and they show the spending increased rapidly before your messiah walked in. Whatever US has spent or is spending is irrelevant, because we have our motivations that are not related to NATO.

LOL. Actually we are the only ones who have ever asked NATO to pitch in, but clearly the benefit is mutual, and without it we'd be spending a heck of a lot more.

 

Then there's nothing to fear.

 

Or defending a heck of A lot less

 

You think Trump is a God? Well thats new.
You have no stats that show anything you claim.
All you have are increases from 2014 to 2024.
What you can't seem to choke down is 11 members increased their portions to align with the 2014 commitment once Trump claimed we might leave NATO.

It is relevant as it shows we don't need NATO. Obviously.

Which is what Trump did. Either get current or the US might leave.

Without NATO the US would remove its troops and bases from Europe and Africa saving about 40% of our military annual budget to spend on just the US. We are there to protect them on our own dime. You don't have any idea what your talking about.

 

Now every member has a reason to fear that US will dishonor the treaty.

Pitch in militarily. Other members have done that a number of times, but US has never done it for them

If we walk away, we subtract 2+ million allied troops and all their hardware from our capabilities and it would have to be replaced, and it would cost money, - lots of it. You seem to think we would simply not replace it and that's not going to happen. After we walk, we'd have to prepare to face China and Russia alone.

Fighting China - Russo alliance alone.

 

Yes, unless they meet their obligations they certainly do. Biden is speaking as I write this pledging to never bavk out on a promise. Except maybe one made to Afghanistan, or Ukraine, maybe Israel.

 

No, once you throw the possibility of betrayal on the table, it can't be undone. They understand Trump will use any excuse to dishonor the treaty. Its like threatening to divorce your spouse during an argument. Once that happens, you know the "till death do us apart" no longer applies, and you should prepare for it to become reality because in her mind its already happening.

Good to see a promise still means something to most of us. Anyone who has done business with Trump knows it means nothing to him.

We never promised to stay there forever, and nor were we invited to go there in the first place.

 

Exactly, in response to those who don't believe what trump quote is about.

 

What gives you the idea that NATO owes anyone money?

No public threat was ever necessary. Quiet diplomacy was always the way these things were delt with.

But Trump never put the question first. Instead, he Tweeted idiotic attacks designed to appeal to the parochial resentment and isolationism of the southern and mid western right wing audience.

It’s teh same message that Charles Lindbergh and various Nazi apologists made in the late 1930’.

Aimed squarely at the grandsons and granddaughters of the same audience.

 

You mean like coming to the rescue of Europe to defeat Germany.
Or the 200,000 active-duty military troops across 178 countries, with the most in Japan (53,973), Germany (35,781), and South Korea (25,372)
You have no clue what you're talking about
Laughable

Again, another clueless post.
NATO is only responsible for about 25% of total NATO investment. The US pays the rest.
What we would save in leaving NATO would be 3 times their investment.
You need to find something else to discuss as you know nothing of what your talking about

 

So your response is, Russia will take over the world.

 

LOL. Not to normal folks.

 

It’s always entertaining when some reactionary right winger who never fact checks anything or reads past a headline or a comment from some right wing crackpot on the radio or internet, accusing others of doing what they do.

We all know what Trump said.

It was a straight up announcement that he intended to betray NATO.

He did not make a speech, as he falsely claimed he did. He launched his attacks on Twitter. Nor did he make any effort to address the issue diplomatically. He did everything on social media. Like a clown.

NATO was no “busted” when he came along. But he put his shoulder to the effort. Attacking and trying to undermine NATO member at every opportunity, especially in public.

Sucking up to Putin right in front of our NATO allies.

Endorsing Russian intelligence over our own.

His open support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine,

And now, his irresponsible, stupid, and un American promise to betray our commitment to our allies.

I predicted that Trump would do things like this in 2016.

Back then, every Trumpster attacked me for saying so, questioning where I even got the idea (hint, depedence on Russia, and Trump’s own personal statements)..

Well, my prediction came true.

And here, now, Trumpsters are no longer denying that Trump would abandon and betray American world leadership.

They’re celebrating it.

 

I agree, Normal folks won't buy into your exaggerations

 

Good. I thought for a while you did. Afterall, you're the only one to have that thought.

Actually, I still think you don't understand. But, oh well.

 

No, I didn't mean something else. I meant what I said.

Um......and.,,,,,,?

We don't pay anyone, we spend because its part of our foreign policy, and NATO is part of our national security approach. If NATO goes away, we'll have to replace it with something else.

You're the one who thinks we can leave NATO, and gut the military to bare bones, and somehow be prepared to fight Chino-Russo alliance alone.

 

Coming from the party that abandoned Americans to terrorist in Afghanistan, and have a history of paying off terrorist with billions of dollars, we really don't care what you think.

 

We know. You didn't even know the US was defending Europe on European soil.

Bringing home 200K soldiers is gutting the military to the bare bones huh.
Clueless as always.
The US spends over 880 Billion annually on OUR defense.
Thats more than
China
Russia
India
Saudi Arabia
UK
Germany
France
South Korea
Japan
Ukraine
COMBINED

Educate yourself before posting again
THE FACTS ABOUT U.S. DEFENSE SPENDING
https://www.pgpf.org/infographic/in...E47du3aCu-yh4nP4QkWAP88-NwHAjgQMaAiFoEALw_wcB

And when you're done with that, do tell us how many troops
China
Russia
India
Saudi Arabia
UK
Germany
France
South Korea
Japan
Ukraine
Have around the world.

I'll wait.

 

We all saw your post

If I were you, I'd run from that post as well.
Keep trying

 

Quit making stuff up. Its dishonest.

You said 40% cut, so yea, that would leave LOT of things unfunded and you'd do it while giving up 2M+ troops sworn to fight with us if need be, Not very smart

 

Nope
I said

Almost HALF of our 880 BILLION dollar budget is protecting other countries.
So we would DOUBLE our own defense by leaving NATO.