Trump says Day 1 priority if he wins is releasing Jan. 6 rioters

Trump is an adult that acts like a child. It would be a shame for him to release convicted felons out. Ironic they call themselves law and order.

 

Sounds like vote buying to me. We already know MAGA folks are against this because they've said as much about Biden's college loan forgiveness. I'm sure they will come out against this vote buying scheme too.

 

@Arkanis has asked, several times, if people believe that people who physically attacked cops should be released from prison. It's a fairly straightforward question, but it seems we are only seeing whataboutism pushback. Perhaps YOU should create a thread about the cop killers being released from prison in NY. I, for one, would not support cop killers being released. That isn't a political issue, it is a common sense/law and order issue. Unfortunately, when Trump is entered into the equation, most fall to a defensive position.

 

Would prefer he focus on other things

 

Going easy on crime is something Dems should agree with.

 

It's really quite simple. It depends on the situation. There are many, many rioters that are languishing in prison for unjust reasons. Those who attacked capital police officers unprovoked should serve their sentences. Those who were defending themselves after being attacked by capital police, should be released. The problem is that you are pretending that everyone that has been incarcerated by the unjust prosecutions are incarcerated for attacking police officer. That assumption is demonstrably false.

The vast majority of those who have been incarcerated for the riot that took place on January 6th are NOT incarcerated for assaulting police officers. They are incarcerated under 18 U.S. Code § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
based on a novel interpretation of the word "corruptly." This law was clearly not intended to deal with this situation. This was enacted to deal with the issues that arose from then Enron scandal. Prosecutors using this law to impose up to a 20 year sentence for what should be a misdemeanor, at best, shows how corrupt the prosecution of these defendants is and the fact that there are so many people that have been charged under this law is ridiculous.

Most of them should have been charged with trespassing, at worst.

 

It would certainly CONFIRM it.

 

How do you plan on defending his abuse of said power? Or are you also going to sit here and pretend you'd be perfectly fine if Biden immediately pardoned all illegal immigrants?

Since you couldn't address the topic, I'll get back to it. I disagree with Trump and his followers when they say it should be legal to assault police as long as you are doing so in the name of Trump. Which, yes, is what a pardon here would mean.

 

I mean . . . he already recorded a hit single with people who assaulted police officers in his name. A pardon is just garnish compared to that, in my opinion. Maybe MTG could give some of those same anti-cop felons another round of high-fives . . . which she's also already done.

 

How can pardon power be abused?...lol

Biden can't make illegal aliens citizens. He doesn't have that power and it appears no where in Article 2.

 

A lot of those people didn't commit a violent crime or any crime at all and I thought it was the left's position to not put non violent people in prison and to send the violent people to diversionary programs.

 

I just gave you example. Feel free to pretend you can't understand.

No. But he can pardon them for any and all federal crimes . . . including illegal entry.

See above. Try again. This time with reading.

But, hey, I get it. You are desperate to hide from the topic.

So, just as a reminder: some of us think it isn't cool to beat a cop who his just doing his job, even if you are waving a Trump flag and wearing a red hat while doing it. Why do you disagree?

 

Name one person who is in prison for Jan 6th who committed no violent crime. And why are you cool with Trump recording a hit single with said violent offenders and MTG giving them high fives?

 

And by pardoning them, he would be "rewarding" them for their loyalty and devotion. He seems to have a very different view about what is a crime .....both for himself and his localists.

 

• Alexander Bennett Sheppard, 24, of Powell, Ohio, was sentenced to serve 19 months in prison, 24 months of supervised release and ordered to pay $3,170. He was found guilty of multiple charges, including obstruction of an official proceeding, and disorderly conduct in a Capitol building.
• Connie Meggs, 60, of Dunnellon, Florida, was sentenced to 15 months in prison and 36 months of supervised release. A member of the Oath Keepers far-right group accused of helping organize the uprising, she was convicted of conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding.
• Ethan Nordean, 32, of Auburn, Washington, was sentenced to 18 years in prison and 36 months of supervised release. A member of the far-right Proud Boys group, he was found guilty of multiple felonies including conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.
• Dominic Pezzola, 45, of Rochester, New York, also a member of Proud Boys, was sentenced to 10 years in prison and 36 months of supervised release. The group is thought to have also helped organize the uprising.
• Joseph Randall Biggs, 39, of Ormond Beach, Florida, was sentenced to 17 years in prison and 36 months of supervised release. The DOJ described him as a former Proud Boys leader and was found guilty of multiple felonies including seditious conspiracy.
• Zachary Rehl, 38, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, was sentenced to 15 years in prison and 36 months of supervised release. Another Proud Boys leader, he stood trial with Biggs and was found guilty of similar charges.
• Narayana C. Rheiner, 42, of Baltimore, Maryland, was sentenced to 15 months in prison, 36 months of supervised release, and ordered to pay $2,000. Rheiner pleaded guilty to one count of interfering with law enforcement officers during a civil disorder.
• Leo Christopher Kelly, 37, of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, was sentenced to 30 months in prison, 36 months of supervised release, and ordered to pay $7,000. He was found guilty at trial of obstructing an official proceeding and six other misdemeanors.
• Bradley Wayne Weeks, 44, of Macclenny, Florida, was sentenced to 10 months in prison, 24 months of supervised release with 12 months of home detention, and ordered to pay $2,000. He was found guilty of a number of charges, including obstructing an official proceeding, and disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building.

The list goes on and on and on and on. https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-capitol-rioters-jailed-sentences-january-6-1826075

If they didn't assault a police officer, they didn't commit a violent felony.

 

I don't know the guy's name but he was arrested for entering the Capitol for 15 seconds, walked out and literally acted like a tourist. I'm sure you've heard about the FBI using cell phone data to track down everyone who was even near the Capitol that day even if they weren't in the building. Ray Epps was hit is a misdemeanor and that needs to be explained.

 

Republicans are the ones demanding it. Ignoring topics is something Republicans excel at.

 

Before going on, I think you and I have very different conceptions of violent crime. In your view, using speech to encourage others to commit violence does not count. In mine, it does. If you see someone beating another person and yell "keep fighting" while engaging in other crimes with your violent compatriots, you are still guilty of violent crime. I also think it is pretty violent to call for the murder of Mike Pence, but you don't. Feel free to keep those standards of yours low. It's the only way anyone can still support Trump, anyway.

 

No you aren't.

 

Arrested =/= imprisoned. And I'm not dumb enough to fall for those insanely idiotic Ray Epps conspiracy theories. That **** makes birthers look sane.

 

Ah. So your standard is just made up, where mine is based in facts, logic, and reason.

Do you have evidence that anyone I listed did the things you have claimed? Or are you making that up too?

Hell, Enrique Tario was sentenced to 22 years and he wasn't even there.

 

Intentionally inciting violence is a violent crime. You are welcome to your lower standards. You guys are literally arguing that Charles Manson was non-violent. He didn't commit the violence himself . . . he just instructed his followers to do so, and according to you guys, that means he should have been pardoned.

 

The first person you mentioned did both of those things. That's why I asked. And your defense of these criminals is lacking in all facts, logic, and reason.

 

Watching two guys fight and shouting kick his ass c-bass is not a crime LOOL.

Planning a crime and having others act it out for you certainly is.

 

Apparently the federal prosecutors disagree with you, since he was convicted of, "obstruction of an official proceeding; entering and remaining in a restricted grounds or building; disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds; disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; and parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building." None of those is a violent crime, and he wasn't convicted of threatening Mike Pence. So, again, I am basing my statements on facts, logic, and reason, and you are basing your statements on your fee fees.