Trump says Day 1 priority if he wins is releasing Jan. 6 rioters

This just brings me back to waaay back when he was running. A couple of his goons beat an immigrant, and I don't even think the immigrant was illegal. And Trump refused to condemn them. When asked about it, all he could say was that "My supporters are passionate." That's it. No condemnation for the violence. He's also encouraged violence at his rallies, and when explaining why he doesn't like "political correctness," he explained that he doesn't like it that you can't just punch people anymore because you don't like their opinions. This man is irredeemable. And so are those who still support him.

 

The federal prosecutors brought up his encouragement of violence during their case. And the dude literally called for Pence to be shot to death. You aren't relying on facts, logic, and reason. You are relying on burying your head in the sand and screaming LALALA until any fact that offends the God Emperor go away.

 

Anyone that blindly supports what happened, rationalizes it, excuses it, are in reality complicit in those crimes. Laws and rules exist for a reason and are the difference between a civil society and one that is not. Not sure the MAGAs understand that anymore.

 

No. Saying that, "Pence shouldn't be hung. Firing squad!" on Twitter is not illegal. It's First Amendment protected speech, since it was not imminently calling for violence. Nice try though. Again, nothing he was convicted of is a violent crime, no matter how much you claim that it is. That's also not what you previously claimed was said.

 

Calling for people to be executed is not a call for violence. Cute. Got it. Thanks for letting me know that everything you said about reason and logic was a joke.

And, yes, that is what I previously said. And funny how you ran away from the part where he was telling the violent protestors to "keep fighting!"

 

Which crime was he convicted of that was violent, again? Oh, that's right. None of them.

And you're failing to mention the fact that the tweet came on January 9th. Again, protected speech.

 

Now, back to your original assertion. There are hundreds of people that have been sentenced to prison for offences that occurred on January 6th, in the capital, that were non violent. You're just pretending that they aren't, because of your made up definition of violence. Admit it, you just want your political opposition jailed, just like the rest of the leftist fascists.

 

You haven’t answered the question.

How is it wrongful to imprison someone who has pleaded guilty or who has been convicted?

 

By being coerced into taking a guilty plea in front of a hostile judge and jury pool. When the jury pool voted 97% against Trump, and you're associated with Trump, there's no way you can possibly get a fair trial. Especially when you see the sentences that others are getting in that same jurisdiction.

If you actually wanted to see any kind of actual justice; then the cases would not be heard in DC.

 

The thing that is becoming so clear is that Trumpians have a different idea about what violence is and are happy to defend it when the viiolence is one in the name of their dear leader. That is concerning as that kind of thinking can contribute to chaos and fracturing social structures It is also startling to se how far they would go to defend Trumpian thinking and the man himself. He seems to have a powerful psychological hold on them. ( similar to what Charlie Manson did on his group .....although smaller in scale. ) It seems that the norms we have known for ages, are being dismantled. But then this is how trump operates. and they are adopting HIS 'values" as their own. This dynamic is contributing to destabilizing the country in a serious way.

 

What's amazing is that you're incapable of understanding that the legal standard isn't whether or not it's a call for violence. The legal standard, according to Brandenburg v. US, is whether or not the speech is “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action,” AND the speech is “likely to incite or produce such action.” Emphasis mine.

A tweet 3 days after January 6th can not incite imminent lawless action. It's literally impossible.

I know y'all want to have your own definition of violence, but that's not how any of this works. Words are not violence, regardless of what they are. Actions can be violence.

The fact that you bots can't understand that justice is not the total and utter destruction of your political opponents. The fact that you think the weaponization of the justice system against the current party's opponents is, in any way, shape, or form, good for the country shows that you're simply projecting on others what you believe.

Trump is not perfect, but y'all can't decide whether he's an idiot or a criminal mastermind. He can't be both and your incapability to recognize the cognitive dissonance that your beliefs require is simply amazing.

Believe it or not, the ends do not justify the means.

 

Our broken corrupt justice system has been persecuting innocents under color law for far too long. The public is onto the racket.
That is why all the absurd virtue signaling and phony "justice" act only serves to expand and harden Trump's base of support.

"Thousands of innocent people sitting in jail for collectively hundreds of thousands of years, and rarely is anyone held accountable — this is not justice.”
LAW360, Perspectives, Why Law Schools Should Require Justice Reform Curriculum, By Donna Mulvihill Fehrmann | October 17, 2021.
https://www.law360.com/articles/1422515/why-law-schools-should-require-justice-reform-curriculum

 

He could have pardoned them before leaving office but they didn't matter.
What makes one think they'll matter once their value to Trump is ZERO

 

You think Trump gives a single crap about those people?
They failed
They lost

To trump they're worse than dead.
Their only value to him is in generating votes.
Once that value is gone, he will forget they ever existed.

 

Trump, like all of our politicians seldom gives ordinary Americans positive reasons for voting for him.
His failure to pardon his supporters, apparently because of his odd faith in the criminal justice system, has become a serious reality bite cocktail for Trump and his campaign.

 

Slam bam politics is the America way.

 

Thus describing his entire presidency.

Why is truth an anathema to you?
These people were just sacrificial lambs he led to the slaughter.
The wolf does not look to pardon the lamb

 

Then why in the world would ANYONE sacrifice their freedom for a politician?
ESPECIALLY this one?

 

What "truth" am I supposed to have missed. Read my post again.
Carefully.

 

Remember when you stayed on topic and didn’t go whatabout all the time?
Me either

 

Yes, that is astonishing. I suppose because Trump really is "different".
But as you point out not different enough -- or in any way that can really matters much to ordinary Americans.

 

They were willing fools. That is the bottom line. Who in their right mind would allow themselves to get suckered into behaving violently for ONE person?? ( again: Think the Charlie Manson gang ......who did Charlie's bidding ) People like that who foster violence to achieve their objectives are psychopathic and could care less for the ones that do their bidding. They are foolish disposable peons.

The legal standard is not the only one that matters. There are ethical and moral standards too that must factor in , in a civil society.

 

Kinda hurts lefties when they can't derail a thread with Trump when the thread is about Trump.

 

Perhaps you should write more carefully?

 

Drill Baby Drill……sure, however, today’s shareholders do not want to produce above demand, and/or above refining capacity.

Not going to happen under Biden or Trump’s watch.