Acceptable number of Gazans for Israel to have killed in year after Oct.7th?

What is the acceptable amount of Israeli's for the Palestinians and Hamas to kill? All this talk about Israel committing war crimes, and nothing about the Israelis who've also died. The one-sided sympathy is retarded.

 

That's probably because Israel does not have a famine. Israelis are getting their health care access. Israeli cities and towns and institutions are mostly functioning to keep their citizens safe, secure.

 

As many as it takes to destroy Hamas or get the Palestinian people to turn over Hamas members rather than keep them hidden. War is not pretty. True War is even uglier. And only a True War is going to put an end to Israel being attacked.

People like to say that this is just making more Hamas members. That may be for the short term. For the long term though a True War would end the conflict. It has for every other true war that has ever happened. Don't believe me? Ask Germany. Or Japan. Neither one of them have groups like Hamas. Even while the Berlin Wall was still around.

 

It would do little to change my view as the focus of my disdain for Israel’s response is the wonton killing of civilians. If Israel was bothered by it they would not continue doing it.

 

Mark my words. Today’s barbarism simply ensures future bloodshed. Israel is not mitigating future conflict, they are simply ensuring the cycle of violence continues for future generations. Israel acts against its best interests, as does Hamas. The actions of both are insane.

 

Because I doubt they would see it that way. Each side see things in radically different ways. Until the differences are resolved the cycle of insanity will continue.

 

Killing civilians simply ensures future conflict as such things are not so easily forgiven or forgotten. I am in complete agreement with you however on allowing Palestinians to escape to Egypt, seems strange that the Egyptians did not allow this from the beginning.

 

I feel like starvation, bombs dropping on you, and disease make pretty good arguments for thinking the grass really is greener on the other side.

 

I doubt those that feel that Israel is trying to steal their land would agree. It is easy to see one side of the coin… much more difficult to see both sides.

 

Arab refugees from Israel have posed a security threat for every Muslim nation that has granted them sanctuary. Google "Black September" for one example. They are just not welcome anywhere. Nevertheless, Egypt is in a position to take them into areas where they could easily be sequestered from the Egyptian population, and IMO, they should have done that so long as the international community agreed to cover the cost.

This article gives an overview of why they are shunned by Muslim nations

“Ideology, diplomacy, and economy are all factors influencing Arab leaders' wariness toward the Palestinians.”

“Lastly, many countries fear that a full-scale Palestinian displacement could increase security threats. In Jordan, for example, the domestic debate is currently influenced by the concept of al-Watan al-Badil (the "Alternative Homeland"), an idea promoted by Israeli nationalist parties, now in the government, in which Jordan could become the only state for the Palestinians. However, over the decades, Jordan has faced many threats related to Palestinian terrorism such as the so-called Black September—a civil war between King Hussein and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1970 and 1971. In the conflict, more than 4,000 people died, and many others were injured.”
DIPLOMATIC COURIER, PALESTINIAN DISPLACEMENT FROM EGYPT AND JORDAN’S PERSPECTIVE
BYELIA PRETO MARTINI., DECEMBER 2, 2023.
https://www.diplomaticourier.com/posts/palestinian-displacement-egypt-jordan-perspective

Re: "future conflict": Germany and Japan have not been a problem since 1945, and the allies did not let the presence of civilians interfere with military operations.

 

Thanks for the information and the link.

 

The West has proven that its promises of support for Israel have been about as reliable as the promises of support the West gave Finland during the Winter War or Ukraine now.

Israel is fortunate that it is in a far better position to independently maintain its military advantage over its enemies than 1939 Finland or 2024 Ukraine.

 

The Palestinians contributed to U.S. efforts in the Vietnam War? I think that would be news to all of us. I've thoroughly supplied the information about Israels assistance to the U.S. and linked to the book that mentions it (Dark Eagles) . You can't do the same for the Palestinians.

 

Acceptable number victims of pirate crews: Zero.

 

Then none of them would have left their homes. Instead, the vast majority evacuated and kept going all the way to Rafah.

 

Whatever it takes to clear every square inch of Gaza of terrorists and obtain the release of all the hostages.

 

The IDF are doing the best job the world has ever seen of killing terrorists while limiting civilian casualties.

They are even beating our record in Fallujah, which was the class of the world, up to that point.

 

Where do your numbers come from, the IDF?
Can you see any potential for lying?

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/oper...5&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation

"Casualties

• "33091 + killed* and at least 75,750 wounded in the Gaza Strip.
• 456+ Palestinians killed in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.**
• Israel revises its estimated October 7 death toll down from 1,400 to 1,139.
• 600 Israeli soldiers have been killed since October 7, and at least 3,302 injured.**"

Every day 90 children are killed by Jews in Gaza.
How many of those children are Hamas?

 

Watch the Son of a Hamas Commander and Dr. Phil take down pro-Hamas advocates on television.

https://twitter.com/HilzFuld/status...hile-confronting-a-pro-hamas-lunatic-n2172345

WATCH: The Moment Dr. Phil Became All of Us While Demolishing a Pro-

 

Israel may very well collapse if not for the US supporting it financially and politically. Hence why now that an American aid worker has been killed in Gaza, Israel took it much more seriously than all the prior aid workers who were killed by Israeli strikes.

Netanyahu can ignore Biden complaining about his tactics and ignore calls for ceasefire, but the moment the US makes arms shipments conditional, he will listen. But by then he may have done too much damage to Israels international reputation for Israel to fully recover.

 

about the last thing Israel needs is more weapons

 

no one said anything about the Palestinian contribution but you Dayton. Some ridiculous claim that contributions to the US during Vietnam war have to do with the UN authority ?

Who cares about info you supplied on Israel's contribution Dayton .. has absolutely nothing to so with your ridiculously false claim that the UN is not the designated authority in the room. How much arms some nation gave to the US has no bearing on this uniformed and false claim about the UN.

 

Ridiculous unsupported false nonsense Zorro .. Fallujah was a world class war crime with huge civilian casualties .. as was the case with the Iraq war in General.

IDF is mass indiscriminate killing of civilians in Gaza .. a collective punishment war crime . and crime against humanity... the claim they doing "The best job in the world limiting civilian casualties" demonstrable false nonsense on steroids. IDF has killed over 10,000 Children in 6 months .. 100,000 civilian casualties while in 2 years Russia there have been ~ 1500 child casualties .. so roughly 500 dead and most of those killed by Ukraine.

Bibi makes Milosovic look kind by comparison .. <Mod Edit>

 

Historically, Israelis kill about 20 Palestinians for every Israeli killed.
This latest spasm may increase their average ratio.

 

Yet the US continues to send them, paid for by American tax dollars. Many Americans are now becoming uncomfortable with that.