Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. bringiton

    bringiton Well-Known Member

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    Except that it doesn't. Sea level increase since the end of the last ice age has been driven by isostatic rebound of submerged continental shelves, not increased temperature.
    Sea level increase is only problematic in areas undergoing subsidence, whether as a result of tectonic processes or related to development, especially extraction of groundwater for human (mainly agricultural) use. Extraction of groundwater also causes incursion of seawater into natural aquifers, making them unusable for most purposes.

    Very little to do with global warming, let alone CO2.

    You can't solve problems whose causes you have misdiagnosed.
     
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    Trouble in the Water: Hawaii's Climate Crisis


    Maybe you guys can convince the people of Hawaii that their climate crisis isn't real.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Oh, so all that melting glacial ice water isn't finding its way into the ocean? Are the laws of physics making an exception for Exxon?
     
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    Since you didn't provide a summary for a 25 minute video, I will ignore it meanwhile you continue to avoid post one article's content thus there is nothing new here.
     
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    Of course you will. You don't have to watch it all to get what it's about.
     
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    Glaciers always lose melt water in the summer, that's how they don't cover the whole world even though it snows on them every winter. Duh. There is no credible empirical evidence -- none -- that glaciers are melting any more or faster now than they did in previous natural millennium-scale warming episodes like the Holocene Optimum thousands of years ago, or the Medieval Warm Period ~1000 years ago. In fact, the melting of glaciers since the Little Ice Age is uncovering the remains of human settlements that prove it was warmer back then, before the glaciers buried them.
     
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    :lol: This just proves you don't know anything about the issue. Hawai'i has a water crisis, not a climate crisis, because there are millions of people living there now, not just thousands; each of them uses, on average, orders of magnitude more water for cleaning, industry, lawn maintenance on golf courses, etc. than the indigenous people ever used; and they are trying to sustain large-scale agricultural production with limited natural rainfall.

    But somehow, CO2 is to blame for all that?

    Run that one by me again.
     
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    True: it's not about climate at all. It's about competing uses for a limited fresh water resource.
     
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    I know a lot about Hawaii already and YOU still haven't provided a summary of the video which makes me wonder if you watched it......

    You have not showed any climate crisis at all.

    You are being lazy here.
     
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    Here is another article that also says no Climate Emergency and it from the IPCC showing it.....,

    The IPCC Says No Climate Crisis

    LINK
     
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    Hawaii has a water problem, not a climate problem. The video is simple gaslighting.
     
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    Your problem is that we understand it well enough to ignore it.
     
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    Our present era is notable for being unusually cool.
    DNA Evidence Reveals Domestic Cats, Dogs, African Wildcats, Frogs Lived In The Arctic 9000 Years Ago
    By Kenneth Richard on 9. May 2024

    A new study finds warmth-demanding species could survive in the Holocene Arctic (northern Norway) hundreds to thousands of km north of where they reside today. This affirms temperatures were “higher than today” with much less snow and ice back then.
    DNA evidence from a site north of the Arctic Circle indicates African wildcat (Felis lybica) used to reside in Arctic climates when CO2 levels were under 260 ppm, or at supposedly “safe” levels. The authors suggest this is a “remarkable” finding, as it is the “highest latitude location for this species ever.”

    The presence of domestic cats (Felis catus) and European wildcats (Felis silverstris) in this region is also validated by 100% matching DNA evidence. Wildcat species became extinct in northern Europe after the Holocene Thermal Maximum (HTM) ended and “snow cover increased above the wildcat threshold of 20 cm over a 100-day period.”

    Amberjacks (Seriola) – a fish species only found in temperate to tropical Pacific and Atlantic waters (Gulf of Mexico, Brazil) today – also lived north of the Arctic Circle during the Early Holocene.

    Dogs (wolves), ducks, geese, prairie chickens, gulls, brown bear, and several species of frogs (no longer present in the Arctic today) also found the Arctic climate temperate enough to reside in northern Norway in the millennia centering around 9000 years before present.

    The presence of mussel shells at much higher elevations indicate sea levels were ~90 m higher than today 13,000 to 12,000 years ago in this region (due mostly to uplift), falling to ~57 m higher than present between 9500 and 9000 years ago and then gradually declining to the present.

    The authors suggest the DNA-confirmed presence of these species north of the Arctic Circle – much further north of where they can survive today – is evidence that warming periods and borealization were “a naturally recurring phenomenon in the past.”

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    Image Source: Boilard et al., 2024
    DNA analysis of species remains has become an insightful way to analyze past variations in climate. Another recent DNA database study (Kjaer et al., 2022) published in Nature indicated the High Arctic at 82°N (north of Greenland) was 11-19°C warmer than today 2 million years ago. This warmth allowed coral reefs, green algae, and horseshoe crab to reside in the Arctic Ocean at 82°N. Today horseshoe crab cannot occupy waters north of 45°N due to the much cooler ocean temperatures.

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    Image Source: Kjaer et al., 2022
     
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