Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

Your post is the denial here.

 

They show their denial by dodging it all the time which means Post One remains unchallenged.

No Positive Feedback Loop

No Lower Troposphere Hot Spot

No Climate Emergency exist anywhere in the world.

 

Climate denier which is a phrase that doesn't make sense I don't deny that climate. I don't insist that it's a warm sunny summer day when there's 3 ft of snow on the ground that's denial of climate.

But aside from there silly word choices, climate denier just means heretic in their religion. It's like if you joined the Doomsday called that thinks that April 13th 2029 the asteroid called apophis will be escorting a godly chariot and that you must be wearing a specific type of shoe and laid in a specific position when you pass away in order to catch this chariot and be seated with the gods. If you're in this cult then you deny that Doomsday and they'll call you a heretic or some version of that

Denial of the Doomsday is utter cancer to a cult and many religions. The fear of being left below you should motivate you to do all sorts of crazy crap meanwhile China's belching out ultramegatons of CO2 to the point where if you had a family of 30 and you drove 30 gas guzzling SUVs everywhere you wouldn't even be an atom in the bucket. The other thing that surprises me is these people support InterContinental commerce and sailing a ship one time across the Atlantic puts more CO2 in the atmosphere then 5 million cars do in one year.

It's all a front for pushing socialism which is just a fancy title for communism. You can't Ban intercontinental commerce because the socialist Utopia can't exist without that.

 

Yawnnnnn...... Zzzzzzz......., your reply contains nothing to support your claims, nothing at all how is it that you are so deficient in them how are you so unaware that you have no arguments to support.

It is YOU who doesn't know how to read charts like this which uses the same credible data YOUR link used.



You have IGNORED this three times now:

"The graph above shows the monthly averages for September Arctic ice extents including 2023 compared to previous years back to 2007. This year is slightly below the 17 year average of 4.63M km2; MASIE shows 4.43M and SII shows 4.37. For comparison the 2007 September values were 4.30M for MASIE and 4.27M for SII. The predictions below refer to the SII value."

You have been avoiding Post 693 over and over which utterly destroys your silly unsupported claims.

You have been avoiding the CONTENT of Post One article completely.

You are running on nothing a fact any rational person can observe since all you do is dodge, promote fallacies and make empty replies that doesn't promote discussion

 

I have a question for you @Jack Hays and @Sunsettommy. Did you watch “Ancient Earth” on PBS tonight? If not, why not?

 

I did, as it shows the annual minimum sea ice extent has increased since 2012, proving you wrong.

No, it does not.

But carefully evades the fact that annual minimum arctic sea ice extent has been increasing.

The science -- real science, not deceitful anti-fossil-fuel nonscience -- is completely against you.

 

Better things to do.

 

Since when is the "trend" evaluated starting from the end of the down-phase of a cycle? Since when is a linear trend starting at the end of one phase of a cycle thought to represent a phenomenon that has been chaotic-cyclical for its entire known history?

You want to pretend a cyclical phenomenon can be accurately represented by a linear trend line? And you think that is a “scientific” method? LOL!!!!!

Thank you for not understanding why those are irrelevant to understanding cyclical phenomena.

Science has refuted bogus manipulation of the data long ago. Your anti-climate cycle articles and opinions are long dead.

 

The graph YOU POSTED shows you are wrong.

That is nothing but name calling.

<sigh> Real science? I studied planetary physics, including atmospheric physics, at an internationally respected university, so I have a pretty fair idea of what real science is. Anti-CO2 hysteria is not real science, it is some kind of cargo-cult "science," and there are plenty of real scientists who have said as much. Jack has posted hundreds of links to their articles, many of them in peer-reviewed journals.

Kode, I know you are a socialist, as your sig line makes clear. Although I have explained why socialism is even worse than capitalism, most people here would consider me a leftist because I am against privilege (real privileges like land titles, IP monopolies and bank licenses, not the mere advantages of being male, white, heterosexual, etc.). As a sympathizer, I have tried to warn my friends on the progressive left that anti-fossil-fuel hysteria is a scam, a bogus problem with no solution, intended to distract them from the real problems of institutionalized injustice, and especially the real solutions that are available for them.

What if you are being played by the very same rich, greedy, privileged parasites you think you are opposing? I am afraid that when AGW nonscience is conclusively debunked, which is absolutely certain to happen before much longer, the left will be so demoralized and humiliated for having been so thoroughly suckered that it will just surrender to the forces of privilege.

Think about it.

 

I watched the World Series.

 

I already spelled out a valid argument. Your cherry-picked position has been refuted thoroughly by science which also provides the majority “vote” on it. To that I can now add that you cannot have a valid position unless you objectively consider both sides of the argument, and you say you didn’t watch the Ancient Earth show/documentary and probably don’t expose yourself to any source of opposing views.

I answered it and you’ve ignored my answer because it wasn’t what you wanted.

And now I’ll inform you once again that it’s over and science has won. So drop it. And if you keep hounding me I’ll report you for harassment and stalking.

 

You misspelled, "refuting."

 

Blast from the past...

 

You didn't make such an answer as you didn't present a case for it while I showed using YOUR link that it supports my argument (a couple others also supported my position) and with additional source (Which you completely ignored) which additionally supports my position and you NEVER addressed any of the CONTENT of the Post one article, all you did call it names and such thus empty replies.

The TV show you brought up is normally called a red herring since it doesn't pertain to the topic here or what the discussion over sea ice cover is about.

 

Some of us have been involved with this nonsense for decades. And you think a TV show will somehow make a difference?

Seriously?

 

No you didn't.

No it hasn't.

Science is not a democracy.

One needn't attend to every juvenile claim -- which a PBS show on this topic would certainly be full of -- to have exposure to both sides. That would be impossible in any case: no one has time to do it.

You have offered no credible scientific argument.

And now I’ll inform you once again that it’s over and science has won. So drop it.

 

Consider it made.

How do you know if you didn’t watch it? In fact it covered continually decreasing sea ice and the release of methane.

 

I should know better. But my point was that we have deniers here who refuse to pursue information from both sides of the argument and insist on parroting only the minority, bogus position that most scientists and authorities reject. They’re one-sided, brainwashed, and they prefer it.

 

“O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as others see us!
It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
An' foolish notion.”
― Robert Burns

 

YOUR OWN SOURCE showed minimum arctic sea ice extent has increased, and maximum has, too:
https://greatwhitecon.info/2022/02/the-2022-maximum-arctic-sea-ice-extent/

 

This is the ONLY time you attempted a reply, and it was the first one after that you dodged my counterpoints always based on the data which you ignored over and over meaning you never factually challenged my replies.

Kode writes at POST 689 LINK when you posted the chart link that actually supported my position ever since then YOU have been in denial of your own link that doesn't support your claim of continued decline while I have addressed it three times and then added a second sea ice chart that makes it clear the trend since 2007 is flat which you ignored 5 times now.

It is clear you have NOTHING but denials over your failure to make a detailed counterreply ever since.

 

Kode writes,

The TV show was already over when you asked if I watched it when I don't watch PBS at all since, I prefer to watch History and Archaeology channels which fulfills my long interest over the years and have a number of history books and Archaeology books fills my shelves that I use for reference and for reading again this evening watched several episodes of Ancient Egypt and their Burial grounds.

The decline stopped after 2007 a fact you are in denial Your own link shows it vividly and I spelled it out here LINK in detail and the Methane concerns are illogical since it has a negligible IR absorption which is also in the some of the lowest energy part of the IR window and the known doubling factor via MODTRAN is so small to be irrelevant as it is just 1/2 W m/2 per doubling laughably small is the truth.....

At the peak of the last Glaciation phase around 20,000 years ago Permafrost used to be down to around 42 N in North America and in Europe but rapidly retreated North as the rapid decline of the glacial ice and the warming up thawed out the soils releasing what trapped gassed into the atmosphere of which nothing terrible happened, thus the CH4 baloney has been a total PR failure for the stupid warmist/alarmist camp.

You really need to stop as you are being massively refuted using your own link and mine which shows no significant trend after 2007......

 

Sorry, but that marks you as an uninformed dittohead. Methane is irrelevant to climate, as its absorption spectrum is already fully saturated by H2O and N2O.

 

I notice Kode vanished back in July when Jack made a post 658 LINK back in July in a reply to Kode that is devastating to his position,

Arctic Ice: A History of Failed Predictions

I will add another link showing what warmist/alarmist scientists were predicting about the Arctic ice over 15 years ago,

Ice Free Arctic Forecasts

LINK

Warmist/Alarmists have been wrong many times and the Polar Bear population remains stable despite the drop in ice cover extent in the Summertime.

Meanwhile I have a nice list of published papers showing that the Arctic Summer Ice cover have been low or ZERO earlier in the interglacial period and for over 100 years at a time too, which I can provide in the PM system.

 

Another alarmist fantasy debunked.
Sahara Expert Says Desert Shrinking, Calls Alarmist Tipping Points “Complete Nonsense”
By P Gosselin on 11. November 2023

Climate tipping points are much more fantasy than science

Austrian AUF 1 has posted posted a video interview with prominent German geologist and Sahara expert Dr. Stefan Kröpelin,



Sahara has been shrinking over the past decades. Image: NASA

Dr. Kröpelin is an award-wining geologist and climate researcher at the University of Cologne and specializes in studying the eastern Sahara desert and its climatic history. He’s been active out in the field there for more than 40 years.

In the Auf 1 interview, Dr. Kröpelin contradicts the alarmist claims of growing deserts and rapidly approaching climate tipping points. He says that already in the late 1980s rains had begun spreading into northern Sudan and have since indeed developed into a trend. Since then, rains have increased and vegetation has spread northwards. “The desert is shrinking; it is not growing.”. . .