Waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed DID NOT LEAD TO THE CAPTURE OF OSAMA BIN LADEN!!

Yes, and your answer is...? Oh, and what is this about 'innocence'? I thought we were discussing a covert agent?

If you were caught whilst engaged in espionage would you rather undergo waterboarding or would you rather be executed?

Another question: Would you support waterboarding if some court conducted a trial and then prescribed it at judgement?

 

sorry I thought my comment about give me liberty answered it pretty clearly.

I would prefer my chance at proving my innocence.

and no I wouldnt support it as as sentence or punishment.
would you?

 

Because its an utterly stupid proposition.

 

Yeah, right.

 

I'm guessing righties don't conform to traditional ideas of enemy or combatant either if you sink down to the lowest common denominator level.

 

I thought I clarified that we were talking about someone who clearly was NOT innocent...

So then your point about a trial was just a diversion?

No.

 

how do we know that without a trial?

see above

any reason in particular?

 

are you saying you would not give up information to prevent your children from being raped?

geez im glad youre not MY parent

 

It seems that someone needs reminded of how often the main stream media is rightest by nature. Most of their CEOs are conservative and beholding to their advertisers. Example one, after Edward Murrow exposed Joe McCarthy, he was demoted to fluff stories. Example two during Bushes election the main stream media nearly doubled negative comments on Gore compared to Bush. Most of them had to do with saying that Gore claimed that he invented the internet, something he never said. Actually what happened follows. In an interview leading up to the primaries Wolf Blitzer asked Gore what set him apart from the other democrats. In that he was asked to brag, he did. He said that he took the initiative in creating the internet. He did, he was active and early in advocating the upgrading of phone systems to accommodate the internet. But, the facts of the matter did not stop the mainstream media from say that he claimed to invent the internet, that was a polish guy.

 

McCain speaks the truth:
McCain says torture did not lead to bin Laden

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43007276/ns/politics-more_politics/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...e-over-torture/2011/05/11/AFd1mdsG_story.html

 

A Senator on the Armed Services Committee says that water torture DID NOT lead to the name of courier. You might know who this Senator is. Being on the Armed Services Committee just may give him a better inside look at things than posters on an internet forum.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4300727...t/mccain-says-torture-did-not-lead-bin-laden/

Sad the lengths some will go to in order to try and take credit from where credit is due. Now info from the Bush Admin may of been explored more and helped to lead to finding OBL. Just OBAMA is smart enough to put 2 and 2 together without fuzzy math and get to the end correct answer.

 

Finally! Someone that got it right. All of the liberals screaming "Geneva Convention!" overlooked the fact that the US signed the GC WITH EXCEPTIONS. Dealing with terrorists was one of them.

 

And posting my thread title IN ALL CAPS MAKES ME MORE RIGHT SOMEHOW!!!

 

It's the liberal MO. If you can't beat them with facts, SHOUT THEM DOWN.

 

No one claimed the courriers actual name came from Khalid and it has only been alleged that Khalid only gave his code name, not the real name.
McCains just trying to rebuild his credibility after the media showing again and again the clip of him and Obama debating the use of military inside of Pakistan to get Bin Laden. McCain mocked Obama as naive for believing that he could unilaterally strike within Pakistan without doing more harm then good.

 

We didn't EIT was used on a variety of captives.

You want to use it more broadly?

 

You think the three who were waterboarded were "proving their innocence"?

Would you rather have our guys and women who get captured treated as we treat them or as our enemies treat them?

 

Specious, it had nothing to do with anyone "proving innocence", they had already admitted to their evil deeds.

 

Which is lower, the way we treat those we capture or the the way our enemies treat those they capture?

 

They are equal if we stoop to their level. I want to be the bigger nation and set an example instead of stooping to snake belly level.

 

When it comes to kooks that walk into crowded places and blow themselves up, I have ZERO problem cracking a few eggs to get to the truth. I'd rather sleep like a baby knowing I was safe than sleep with one eye open, knowing I was "righteous". Must be the pragmatism that comes with age.

 

Try again

Which is lower, the way we treat those we capture or the the way our enemies treat those they capture?

 

WWII was won without a torture program. Surely we can deal with a small group of terrorists without acting like savages.

 

We were fighting lawful combatants on a battlefield and we do not act like savages, to compare what we use to what savages do is laughable.

We could only hope our enemies would follow our lead and treat those they capture as we do.

 

Strawmen goose-stepping to that funky and delusional DP beat; how original.