Republican's want the economy to fail

P1 - Obama's chances of winning re-election in 2012 are directly tied to the success or failure of the recovery of the US economy.
P2 - Republicans have stated that their primary goal is to prevent Obama from winning re-election in 2012.
C1 - Republicans do not want the economy to recover between now and the election.

If you believe there is a flaw in this, please point it out so we can debate it.

 

The standing position of Republicans is that Obama's present policies are CAUSING the failure and that his new proposals if passed will cause it to fail even worse.

 

They would be happy to help the economy as long as Obama has Nothing to do with it.

 

Not true. Helping the economy means paying taxes, something Republicans avoid at all costs, if posts on this forum are anything to go by.

 

Provide me with various economists' PPC's and economic indicator graphs predicting that his policies will cause the economy to slow down even more, and then I'll consider the Republican position legitimate. The Democratic stance is no different. I need positive economic proof to support the Democratic and Republican stances. Anything else is political pandering.

 

It's actually worse than that. The very rich who donate to the Republican party are actually betting against a U.S. recovery. In other words, they have "shorted" the American economy and stand to make billions of dollars if they can keep it declining until Perry is in the White House - which he surely will be in 2012.

Because they stand to profit from a declining economy, they are encouraging the Republicans to do everything they can to make it even worse. This strategy serves them in Three ways:

1) It makes them money.

2) It guarantees the election of a Republican President and Congress.

3) The crisis in confidence caused by depression allows them to strip away major elements of the New Deal and successor progressive legislation - Social Security, minimum wages, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare business regulation, etc.

Of course once Perry gets his feet under the desk, the real fun starts. Corporations will invest and hire like there is no tomorrow, share prices will climb.

...The only trouble will be that the poor and middle class will find themselves even further behind the Eight ball then they are now. They won't share any of the prosperity going forward and they will be politically neutered as well thanks to the failure of Obama.

P.S. This one, Eric Cantor, got a little too greedy:

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=486

 

The Republicans really don't have to "want" anything.

Under the current direction of Barack Obama and the Democrats, the economy IS failing. The dastardly Republicans can't get what they want, so all they can do is sit back and watch the Democrats drive us all right off the cliff.

Barack Obama and the Democrats are complete failures.

 

Here's your flaw: it's the same thing the Republicans were saying about the Dems and the Iraq war. "They want 'Mercuh to fail".
/ It was stupid and insulting then, and it's stupid and insulting now.

 

Slasher, I've been watching the very Rich American Oligarchs prepare for this play since 2004.

The first sign was a rash of "Private Equity" deals originating in Wall Street that sought, and often succeeded in purchasing quality foreign assets to get their money out of America. Wall Street even tried to buy Qantas, Australias national flag carrier and also Coles Stores - the biggest supermarket chain here that attracts one dollar out of every three retail dollars spent in this country. It was the same in Europe.

What the big guys have been doing since then is shorting the entire American economy and greasing the skids under it in order to make obscene amounts of money.

Both sides of Congress are peopled by multi millionaires who take very great care of their wealth and power.

 

If congress has the wheel for all legislation and spending, how can you claim that Obama is to blame?

 

Paying taxes finances govt operations. Producing and trading goods and services helps the economy. Taxes cannot help the economy by the fact that a tax, while necessary, can only deprive men of the means of voluntary trade with the dollars they lose to the govt. In any case, Republicans DO pay their taxes and would continue to do so. It's not like tax rates go to zero with Republicans in control.

 

Then that should give them exactly what they want. This statement does not contridict any of the premises, nor conclusion that was presented in the OP.

Also, if Obama's policies are "causing the failure" how do you explain that since the bottom of Bush's collapse, about 1.8 million jobs have been created?

 

I really think that Obama wants the economy/country to fail. That way he can impose more Executive Orders and bull(*)(*)(*)(*) legislation in order to give the government more power over our lives. He wants people to be unemployed and down and out, so that he can increase the entitlement roster. Obama wishes to rule by keeping The People reliant on big government. The People will not bite the hand that feeds them.

 

"it is stupid and insulting" is not a logical argument.

 

Then Obama has been failing at his job. 1.8 million jobs have been created since the economy bottomed out.

 

Ore Ele, if you love me, you'll agree with me that government doesn't create jobs, the private sector does and that politicians taking credit for private transactions is nothing short of assinine. You should agree with that right away.

 

Oh, right, that's your opinion. Others would argue that helping the economy requires reducing spending, something liberals refuse to do at all costs. For liberals, it's tax and spend. It always has been and always will be.

And what kind of blithering idiot would agree with liberals to raise taxes now based on their promise to reduce spending, maybe, someday, somewhere. The liberals track record for honesty and fairness is pitiful.

 

Tell that to GE and all the remaining big business that not only do not pay tax but get credits as well. It may well be legal but it certainly isn't ethical.

 

Would you like to make a wager on whether or not GE pays taxes?

 

Neither is an ad- hom. This whole thread attacks Republicans rather than their arguments. You *seriously* think that all these people are out marching in the streets because they're pining for poverty?? At least make a token attempt at an explanation instead of casting bull(*)(*)(*)(*) aspersions.

 

The government can reduce spending to zero but public employees still have to be paid.

Where does the money come from for that?

 

That is not true at all. Companies create job, and companies can be government owned.

We have Oregon Liquor stores, owned by the government, that create jobs (they have employees). There is the bank of North Dakota, and many other government run businesses that all create jobs.

Government also has the ability to stear the economy and create jobs in individual sectors within the economy as it stears it.

 

GE is NOT a republican company. Corporations are generally politically neutral and will support the winning side of an election, regardless of party, if they think it can benefit them. Your statement above doesn't even address the main point that a tax is harmful to economic activity.

 

Both parties are OK with spending when it suits their needs. Right now republicans are opposing all new spending. I am curious whether they would oppose it from a Republican president. Or would that be unpatriotic?

 

Frodo,
Can't disagree with you there, but I don't see any grand conspiracy on either side to intentionally destroy the economy. What I see is a lot of selfish, unethical, greedy politicians who don't particularly care what happens to us so long as they get money and power.
To accuse half the country of *wanting* economic collapse is a sign of hopeless partisan blindness IMO.