Republican's want the economy to fail

So you presuppose ideal man before you ever mention a notion like invisible hand.... carry on.

 

Not true. You can't borrow dollars from overseas if they don't have dollars to lend.

 

it was borrowed from the social security trust fund if not china, point is there was no capital that was removed to prevent the free market from creating jobs.

the big businesses have 2 trillion dollars right now and the lowest taxes for another 2 years but they are not spending because they are waiting for another republican president

government is not setting any roadblocks for the economy when it does stimulus

 

No! This is about a country where many inhabitants believe they can exist with a life of luxury while not paying taxes to enable the same.

 

He, as well as the previous administration, is responsible for allowing large corporations to operate without paying taxes on their profits and not only that, but permitting them tax breaks at the same time.

Why you all wish the deficit to grow even larger, is beyond me.

 

You're right. Those entitlement classes should pay their fair share.

How does this contradict what I said wrt size of Government?

 

There's the fallacy, and you see it as clearly as I do. If it was "borrowed", then it was "loaned". Not a single penny of that money was "unavailable to lend". *ALL* of it was money that would've otherwise found it's way into the economy. All the government did was mis-direct it.

 

they can pay it back if the unemployment rate was not that high simply by taxes on the workers...

although this is not good it should be shared debt and the rich and coroporations should pay this debt back proportional to the average american.

as previously noted this will not cause the government to remove capital because businesses already have 2 trillion dollars and the lowest taxes but refuse to invest in the free market until a republican president is elected.

 

Yeah! Taxed enough already!!!

 

It's not about "paying it back", it's about whether taking that money and spending it as they did created more jobs than it destroyed.

 

LMAO

Rich people do not have that much power. They can't just magically turn the market on and off according to who they want in the White House!! LMAO We're talking about the economic decisions of hundreds of millions playing together into an undecipherable web of complexity and you think a few thousand rich people have the power to just turn it on and off as they see fit? LMAO

What you see as a conspiracy of illumnati like organization you call "the rich" is actually AN ECONOMIC REVOLT BY MILLIONS OF BUSINESS OWNERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY! LMAO

Does the owner of my hotel have some kind of magic decoder ring he calls up his illuminati handlers and reports on the latest economic misery around him so they can jack it up or down as necessary to maintain control? LMAO

 

Obama has failed to implement policy that could have improved our economy. The National Commission for Fiscal Reform's December 2010 report includes a comprehensive proposal of the Obama appointed bi-partisan commission that could have had us on a much better economic footing. Instead, Obama put ideology/party before country and disrgarded the proposal.

I don't deny Obama's failures, and he has many. However, I also don't disregard Republican failures. Republicans have failed to propose a credible JOBS, not budget, but JOBS proposal, and this includes anything involving tax policy, regulations, etc. The only credible budget proposal was the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act, and that was the wrong proposal at the wrong time due to the substance of the bill. Furthermore, the extreme right of the Republican party have been just as intransigent as the extreme left of the Democratic party.

In essence, the entire political system is in shambles, and that is due to polarization by the Tea Party and the extreme liberal Democrats. People like myself that like brain trust politicians want someone with the ability to innovate policy, not innovate rhetoric. Therefore, when I listen to Paul Ryan, I respect him, even though I'm a liberal Democrat. He is one of few politicians that have the ability to think, and are their own brain trust. For that reason, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with the substance of his policies, I can respect him.

 

They have all the power, who do you think you're kidding?

Who runs that banks that aren't lending to businesses?
Who runs the corporations that refuse to hire Americans with their record profits?
Who runs the media that is keeping America weak by refusing to educate the people but are entertaining them instead?

 

I didn't mention the size of government so my comment has no bearing on it.

 

No such presupposition is necessary. You are just attacking a strawman.

 

100% accurate. But it doesn't matter what the Republicans want because Obama's economic policies are kicking the economy while its down anyway

 

lol cause CRIME is a wildly over the top absurd notion that is easy to tie to your position then knock down to prove your position incorrect.

Yup that flight of fancy thinking people commit crimes, craziness... you're right, got me there.

 

Conservatives in general do not want the country to fail, they want Obama to fail. And the conservatives will to what ever it takes to make Obama fail. Even if it means destroying the USA. You can see the look of content on speaker Boner's face every time he needs to face the Obama.

Fact is, the conservatives and their owners, know that conservatives have no ability to improve the US economy. In fact, the corporations who own the conservative parties, have no clue on how to fix the US economy.

What's more troubling, is that the economy can't be fixed: there is no room for growth no room for more jobs, and no more room to capitalize. As a result, the corporations that once capitalized on small buisness and forigen competion have no place to capitalize as they have sucked those opportunities dry. As a result, they are capitalizing the taxpayer and government direct, without any shame.

IF anything, the Government needs to privatize the private sector, and get private corporations off the government and off the taxpayers back. Too much corporate cheese.

 

I have no idea what you're ranting about.

Of course people commit crimes. I never contended otherwise. But don't let that stop you from beating up your strawman. Make him say uncle!

 

Silicon - the rich don't have the power? You poor man!

Don't you know what a hedge fund is?

Don't you know how exactly who broke the Bank of England and the British pound in 1992?

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp#axzz1YHq6AzDI

Don't you know what "Naked short selling is"? Do you know why the SEC temporarily banned it during the GFC? Don't you know that Two small broking firms connected with the mafia did 90% of the damage during the GFC and made a lot of money doing it?

http://www.deepcapture.com/

Don't you know that 90% of what you read in the financial press is total self serving crap?

Don't you know that while one part of say, Goldman Sachs is telling you to "Buy" another part is shorting the same stock for dear life?

Don't you know that Europe has enough money to bail itself out of trouble, but America has not? Don't you know that Greece is just a sideshow to distract public attention from the main problem?

Don't you know John Mack, Chairman of JP Morgan, is retiring shortly and why?


OF COURSE American financial markets can be manipulated, that is our problem!!!!!!!

 

the stimulus did not destroy jobs because it did not remove any capital to redistribute it, every business that gets taxed big by the government can afford it they only go after the oil companies and walmart who can absorb it in their high profit margins.

we will remove capital from the rich because they can afford it and still create jobs and force them to pay our debts in china and from the social security trust fund back.

 

Well, would you cite where "Republicans have stated that their primary...."? We all realize that getting re-elected is Barack Obama's only goal but even he has enough sense to deny it.

Then, would you cite some evidence for "Republicans do not want the economy to recover...." I don't know if you consider blatant bull(*)(*)(*)(*) a flaw but some might.

 

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The GOP does not that is why they are at odds with Obama. You can not continue to blame Bush when Obama for 2 years had a filibuster proof congress. our fate now is all about the democrats and Obama

 

Republicans had no power. Obama had a filibuster proof congress and still all he did was try to grow government and help unions. Obama is about his special interest groups that give him campaign money and his socialist agenda and he does not care how much he destroys the rest of us