Imagine How Smart I Would Be If I Was an Atheist

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  1. Blackrook

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    My father, who is a professor and a genius, deliberately married my mother, who was also a genius-level professor, so he would have genius-level children.

    So it was not surprising that I was reading cereal boxes when I was three.

    I was sent to a school for gifted children, where it was discovered I was the most gifted of the gifted. A teacher devoted all her time just to teach me because I was so gifted.

    My father refused to tell me my IQ, but he once told me I'm in the top 1% of the top 1%.

    I did not ever find people as intelligent as me until I went to law school.

    But I am not as smart as I could be. I am a Christian, and according to atheists that means I'm not smart at all.

    Imagine if I decided to be an atheist. My intelligence would then increase even higher and I might become the smartest person in the world.

    Atheists, what say you? Should I drop Christianity in order to increase my intelligence?
     
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    Intelligent people are better able to delude themselves. They can come up with ever more elaborate and self-convincing explanations for whatever nonsense takes root in their head. Intelligent people are just people who can more easily reconcile cognitive dissonance... even if that means distorting truth, facts, integrity, logic...

    I was reading grade 1 books when I was three, what's your point? I guess that apparently amazing feat was caused by my fairly ordinary and barely middle class parents.

    No wonder you have such an artificially inflated opinion of yourself.

    It means you've opted to engage in self-delusion rather than objective analysis. It's a choice, not a mental defect.
     
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    Do you truly have truth, facts, integrity and logic on your side?

    Let's hear it.
     
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    http://www.boston.com/Boston/dailydose/2011/11/creative-people-more-dishonest-harvard-study-finds/klVcc73tanfWES5BpmG3PJ/index.html

     
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    Again, I'm asking you:
     
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    Issac Newton and Galileo were Christians who believed in God and they made huge contributions to science.

    Being an atheist doesn't make one smart or stupid. It's just a lack of belief.

    Neither does being a Christian either.

    There are intelligent and idiotic believers and non-believers out there.

    So you should choose what you believe in if it's right for you.
     
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    Of course they don't blackie - after all, I am another 1%'er in terms of IQ.

    I am also a former atheist - who realized, quite intelligently, that I was wrong.

    Amazingly enough, the first priest I ever met (or at least recall meeting) had a Ph.D, an MD, and JD. He was a rather intelligent, insightful, and extremely kind man ... with a 500 pound brain.

    What really interesting is that so many atheists insist that knowledge and education lead to atheism - they can never explain why for some reason? - but when very educated and intelligent people are lead to religion and God?

    Well, as you see above, very intelligent people are simply prone to deeper delusion - a standard of judgement they appear ill at ease to apply to their own set of delusions.

    Indeed, it'll be interesting to see if atheists will offer up something ... to confront the delusion.
     
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    Didn't you say something along the lines of evolutionary theory being the cause of genocide?

    Yeah....
     
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    I fail to see why u insist on ... I won't call that discourse ... with people you view as genocidal maniacs?
     
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    You deny that the eugenics movement had something to do with it?
     
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    Do you really expect an intelligent response?
     
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    Atheists are really smart but so far they haven't come with an intelligent response to this thread.
     
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    Nor will they.

    The actually intelligent atheists know the limitations of their faith choice. The only thing you are likely to get with this one are the .... trolls of atheism .... for lack of a better term.

    And that group of atheists is more interested in lecture than debate anyway.

    I keep recommending that one of them start the website:

    www.agreewitheverythingisay.com

    The domain name is open, but for some reason ... no bites yet?

    I thought that was a rather intelligent suggestion on my part? I've been wrong before though ;-)
     
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    Your being a believer and my being a nonbeliever says nothing about our respective levels of intelligence or how those levels fare against each other.

    Producing this ego fable to denegrate an entire group as intellectual bigots, or worse, wannabe intellectuals, doesn't aid your case in either the apparent argument or your father's opinion of you being in the top 1% of the top 1%. Your attempted denegration is symbolic of your own bigotry, and that is no sign of intelligence, but rather the opposite.

    If you care what atheists think of you, perhaps you can do better than insulting us wholesale? Just a thought.
     
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    Is there some reason you are not taking issue with this?


    No offense, but blackie is clearly offering a tounge in cheek assesment of the often made claim of atheists that intelligence and education lead straight to atheism.

    Well - that is clearly not the case.

    And when confronted, we see the standard of judgement shift. Its atheists who most often make this claim - and they very often make it to some very intelligent people who politely disagree with them.

    Indeed, qhen atheists routinely write things like this:

    http://www.atheists.org/religion

    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Atheist-Manifesto-Against-Christianity-Judaism/dp/1559708204"]Amazon.com: Atheist Manifesto: The Case Against Christianity, Judaism, and Islam (9781559708203): Michel Onfray: Books[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807"]Amazon.com: God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything (9780446579803): Christopher Hitchens: Books[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.amazon.com/God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618680004"]Amazon.com: The God Delusion (9780618680009): Richard Dawkins: Books[/ame]

    I could go on. But in each case, the scions of atheism and their adherents are quick to call very intelligent people delusional.

    Well, that has a burden of proof.

    Indeed, an intelligent person would know when they are being cheekily rebutted, and not offer a scathing emotional retort in the place of ... intelligence.
     
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    Ha, ha. I cut to the quick didn't I? You wouldn't be so upset if there wasn't some truth to what I said.
     
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    They weren't speaking to me or for me. That's no more my responsibility than making you answer for what's been done by the KKK or the Westboror Baptist Church.

    You're not suggesting Blackrook can't handle that on their own are you?
     
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    You wouldn't have to imagine I was upset if you had an honest argument. Try sticking to the argument whie you're at it.
     
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    So, you are an athtroll.

    You think it is intelligent in teh slightest to take a group founded by Nathan Bedford Forrest and impunge millions of practitioners who are horrified by the KKK - many of which denounce the The KK - many of which are black themselves?

    How's that for ignorance?

    How's that for ignorance when we know that the anti slavery movement in the US began in ... you guessed it ... Christian communities.

    When are you guys going to take responsibility for groups like NOV. 17? For groups like American Atheists, who seem hell bent on blocking Christmas and suing to remove crosses while holding concernts at Fort Bragg and then forgetting to mention it in their fund rasing which continues to prattle on about Christian concerts at Fort Bragg - with nary a mention of their own concert?

    Why it must be nice to bu so judgemental of others - as pointing out faults in others automatically makes yours go away ... in atheism.

    And the fact that Blackie is responding to a well known claim in atheism?

    I guess an intelligent response was, as we both predicted, too much to hope for?

    Perhaps you should defend yourself, rather than take pointed pot shots at blackie - you are, as most atheists preach (or so I hear) - responsible for you, correct?

    So lets see something besides the normal hate fille rhetoric of atheist propoganda?
     
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    If the shoe fits, then wear it. Just a thought.
     
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    of coarse you would be smarter by being an atheist..
    I can tell just by the stupidity of your post..
     
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    My dad is a cop and my is now a CNA Preceptor, but they had me. :mrgreen: Bring on the jokes!

    I was beating video games when I was 3 (original Nintendo and Atari).

    I never had that chance because of my parents income (and debt because of my mom's cancer). I acted out at school and barely passed because I refused to do the homework (I find it stupid and pointless).

    I have an eidetic memory, but I've never had my IQ checked.

    My friends say I should go to law school, but I think that's because they want a free lawyer on retainer :D

    I suffer from the same ailment, my friend. My philsophy professor always made a joke at my expense as he said if it wasn't for that (*)(*)(*)(*) God belief, I'd be his perfect student.
     
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    It doesn't fit all of us.
     
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    your belief means you are intelligent enough to know
    perception is not circumscribed by intelligence.

    but belief shouldn't stop anyone from questioning
    and seeking the truth in all matters.

    wisdom and intelligence:
    surely two different things.

    intelligence -> knowledge -> wisdom.

    but which knowledge?
    which perspective?
    which path?

    2:268
    He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been
    given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And
    none will mind* except those of understanding.


    * = grasp the message

    23:80
    And it is He who gives life and causes death,
    and His is the alternation of the night and the day.
    Will you not reason?


    and countless other verses to ponder / to think...

    by the way...
    who's got a free iq test? :)
     
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    Proverbs discusses 'knowledge,' "understanding," and 'wisdom.'

    If one puts all the versus regarding these 3 words together, the formula becomes:

    Knowledge + Understanding = Wisdom.

    Wisdom is not IQ, but the 'understanding' of that capability and its application in life.

    Ergo, the educated fool is the product of one 'w/o understanding.'

    And 'spiritual wisdom' requires both knowledge of the Word of God and being open to the Teacher who leads into all righteousness. And, it is not leaning on one's 'own understanding.'

    It has also been said that there is a fine line between genius and crazy (as in eccentric). I believe that man can be his own worst enemy by over-thinking & over-complicating life, and that humility is the equalizer of which the very-high IQ types are often lacking. Even Solomon, the smartest man of his time, fell into folly and 're-evaluated' his life near the end, doing so in humility and admitting his mistakes.
     

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