Part 12 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

I think maybe you don't know the meaning of the phrase, "above the law".
Look it up. Here is the definition: ""Exempt from the laws that apply to everyone else."""

The Catholic Church and it's members are subject to the laws of the land they're in, they are NOT exempt.

When you insist that the Catholic churches punishes child rapers with meditation rather than report the crime to the PROPER authorities like every other citizen must do, YOU are claiming that the church is exempt from the laws that apply to everyone else, above the law.

You can argue but I understand English much much better than you ...

 

I am neither. Why do religious people resort to telling lies rather than answer tough questions about Christianity? I asked which was the correct religion you guys said Christianity, I then said do Muslims have it wrong you and Mit both gave different answers and now when I ask for proof muslims are wrong you begin (right on cue) with Lies! retract your statement or it will be reported. You dont get to misrepresent what I said.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=342641&p=1063614471#post1063614471

When you state clergy will be treated by church if they remain in the church, meaning they are not subject to secular law. Meaning you claim they are above the law. So you did state it.
And you went so far as to state that their punishment was shipped to repent and then to another church to repeat.
Hence a post of mine to you was 'rinse and repeat' as many priests did. And you are OK with that. That is what is disturbing.

 

Check out the history of the Mexican Inquisition and it wasn't just a few bad apples.....

From Wiki: ""One group that suffered during this time were the so-called “crypto-Jews” of Portuguese descent. Jews who refused to convert to Christianity had been expelled from Spain in 1492 and from Portugal in 1497. When Spain and Portugal united shortly thereafter, many converted Portuguese Jews came to New Spain looking for commercial opportunities. In 1642, 150 of these individuals were arrested within three or four days, and the Inquisition began a series of trials. These people were accused of being ‘judaisers,’ meaning they still held Judaic beliefs. Many of these were merchants involved in New Spain’s principal activities. On 11 April 1649, the viceregal state staged the largest ever auto da fe in New Spain, in which twelve of the accused were burned after being strangulated and one person was burned alive. Most of the remainder were ‘reconciled’ and deported to Spain.[1] """


Funny how christians either choose to ignore their atrocities or just wave them off as a few bad apples...like what they did wasn't important or really serious...that's quite immoral....

 

The Catholic church is recognize as a sovereign State in a special status. Other Christian sect are not they are a religious organization that is govern and regulated under US laws. Still, the CC respect the authority of US laws and most of all the separation of Church and State. There are countries such as China that does not recognize the authority of the Papacy or the sovereignty of the Catholic Church they retain full control of the Catholic church in China they appoint their own Bishops and priest and they are all subject to China laws this mean that churches and temples are not respected and recognize as a sanctuary to anyone especially political enemies of the China.

In UK the monarchy is the head of the Anglican church they have full authority as to whom their church provide refuge to.

 

And when did God create the Earth? How many years ago? Because according to Genesis, it was BEFORE He created the stars (Genesis 1:16).

So...how old is the Earth?

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And what are....Mormons?

 

You are the one that kept ignoring FACTS you're the one that kept ignoring that humans are not the actual great apes that you kept insisting they are and most of all you kept ignoring the fact that the theoretical great ape use to identify as the ancestor of humans and actual great apes is something that scientist are not sure what it is.

No only you and your party have been insisting and holding on to that false science that Humans are in fact apes denying that it is not referring to actual apes or actual great ape but to the theoretical great ape that colonial scientist back then had no idea or lack of proper scientific term or knowledge so I will repeat HUMANS ARE NOT APES OR GREAT APES BOTH HUMANS AND GREAT APES (ACTUAL GREAT APE) ARE GROUP IN THEIR OWN CATEGORY AND THEIR THEORETICAL ANCESTOR IS CALLED HOMINID.

Religion has nothing to do with the fact that humans are not apes only those who lack proper science or were educated with too much anti religion would think that humans are apes and these people would ignore the facts or science and will insist and stick to their guns or lie about it in spite of being educated about the truth.

I would like to do the same too with such much what you called SLANDER towards me and my posting but I respect moderators space so you go ahead and let them be the final arbiter to satisfy your stupporness

And does this mean that would be you?

 

You cannot have a relational property to nothing. Nothing is literally just that. To have a relational property it must be something in existence, for 'property' relates to that.
Some thing
Any thing As opposed to NO thing
Every thing

 

""""""The Catholic church is recognize as a sovereign State in a special status"""""

By whom? YOU? LOL!

All ya have to do is PROVE IT. Should be easy if the whole world agrees with you.....

Just because YOU say so doesn't make it so.

 

No the CC has no authority in UK because the Monarch is the head of the Anglican church. Canada recognize the sovereignty of the CC and the sanctuary of religious grounds case in point:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/1...ion-it-unwittingly-harbored-a-child-molester/
THE DANGERS OF SANCTUARY

Hours before he was to be deported for spying on Chinese dissidents, Gankhuyag Bumuutseren walked into St. James Humber Bay Anglican Church in Toronto and claimed sanctuary.

Canada Border Services Agency officers knew where he was but would not enter the church to make the arrest, so he moved into the basement meeting room and turned it into an apartment.

I don't have to misrepresent what you are saying it is what it is.

Have you not just kept insisting that Moses did not wrote parts of the OT and that the Museum of Alexandria which was build years after the OT was already written was a source of the OT?

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/1...ion-it-unwittingly-harbored-a-child-molester/
THE DANGERS OF SANCTUARY

Hours before he was to be deported for spying on Chinese dissidents, Gankhuyag Bumuutseren walked into St. James Humber Bay Anglican Church in Toronto and claimed sanctuary.

Canada Border Services Agency officers knew where he was but would not enter the church to make the arrest, so he moved into the basement meeting room and turned it into an apartment.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...mants_find_sanctuary_in_toronto_churches.html
Members of the Southern Ontario Sanctuary Coalition have met with 13 churches over the past few months, as well as with representatives from Mennonite communities in Kitchener and Toronto. The group also plans to meet with local rabbis and their congregations. The coalition’s 60 members represent congregations who organized in the early 1990s after a number of Eritreans were thought to have been wrongfully deported.
Sanctuary— when a church offers someone a measure of symbolic protection from authorities — is a medieval and historic concept that is rarely offered today. It is a last resort and needs tremendous community support to succeed.
There have been four cases of sanctuary in the Toronto area over the past year, said Michael Creal, a retired York University professor and founder of the coalition. Police and border security officials have not intervened in any of them, he said.

Jozsef Pusuma, his wife Timea Daroczi and their 4-year-old daughter Viktoria are believed to be the only people currently receiving sanctuary in Toronto. The family has been hiding in an Anglican church in downtown Toronto since December after a federal court judge approved a deportation order against the Hungarian Roma family.

Do I need to say more about sanctuary by religious orders.

 

DUH, that's Canada..

""""""" is a medieval and historic concept that is rarely offered today. It is a last resort and needs tremendous community support to succeed."""


It's medievel all righty, just like the church.

"""""""Canada Border Services Agency officers knew where he was but would not enter the church """"

I know you don't have a grasp of English but "would not" is not "could not".




It still doesn't prove that the church is a sovereign state....you showed no proof , no documents, nothing.

And even if you did and the Church gave sanctuary to their own child rapers it 's still despicable to protect and defend such scum...anyone who defends that practice is the SAME AS A CHILD RAPER.because they don't think it's wrong.

 

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Sovereignity??? Where?

 

Your knowledge of History is not good. That the Church Tortured people for heresy is not some big secret.

Pope Innocent IV formally approved torture” in a papal bull or law on heresy known as
Ex Tirpanda in the Thirteenth Century:

http://www.jp2institute.org/Portals/39/Documents/NTF_torture.pdf

 

Are you kidding ? You really do not know about how the Church was torturing people in the middle ages?

It was not "a few bad apples". The torture chambers were located in the basements of Churches and clergy that took part in the torturing.

Here is one link but there are hundreds. This Church was doing this for hundreds of years for gosh sakes.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm

 

So you're back to saying, catholic clergy do not have to follow the laws of the land they occupy churches in? The priests don't have to get arrested and stand trial for child rape? Is that what you're saying? They are above the laws of the nations?

 

Except you're claiming that your Bible is an absolute historical evidence. Make up your mind.

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Except you're trying to compare "belief without evidence" to "belief with evidence". You adhere to the former, I adhere to the latter.

 

Yes, actually, they are.

Great for the Bible, too bad it is wrong.

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Yes, actually, they are.

Great for the Bible, too bad it is wrong.

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So your answer is "I don't know". You're sure on a roll with these answers.

 

Well, apparently we can close these threads if the only answer you're going to consistently go back to is "I believe in the Bible!"

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Well, it's inconsistencies with the natural world would be one. Secondly, you're the one claiming that the Bible is right despite evidence to the contrary, so it is on you to prove to us that it is right.

 

how does one prove poetry is right or wrong.
surely you realize that the OT bible is impossible to be historic.
why are you asking people to prove poetry and metaphor to be right or wrong?

 

The problem being that these people don't see these events as poetry and metaphor, they see it as a historic record.

 

i realize that, but it makes you , one of the last vestiges of intellect here at PF, look like you think it's worthy of asking such a thing. lol.

anyway…memory lane hit me a few posts back here at PF…

do you recall when everyone was up in arms about me calling myself an atheist that believed in God?
and that guy who sported an avatar of spock playing 3d chess said i was a Pantheist..what was his name..he was a true intellect , i miss his ilk here..

 

Interesting, isn't it? Here's a guy who says-

"No completely satisfying answer to this question has been found.....We mere mortals in our finite minds can only speculate"

yet claims that he can answer ANY "tough question" and claims he has Biblical basis for his "evidence".

So apparently there ARE questions that are "too tough" for Mitt....or that the Bible has no clear answer for.....or both?

 

When you say NO thing you are exactly describing a relation property to A thing, and nothing is the absence of that thing. Maybe you have a better definition of nothing that doesn't define itself as to having that relational property? I'd like to hear it if you do.

 

You are making the mistake of thinking that God is a human like us...silly you!...lol When you think of God, you can't look at Him in a human perspective for He is not a human.

God is the Creator, He is eternal, meaning He is everlasting, having no beginning and no end. And so God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit always existed. Wrap your finite mind around that concept...don't think too hard you might get dizzy!...lol

However, when Jesus came down to live with us on earth, He was born just like us and so He had an earthly human mother which we all know was Mary. He humbled Himself and became a human like us. What is so amazing with this is that Jesus was the only one in the history of mankind who lived prior to His earthly mother ever being born. Just goes to show with God nothing is impossible.