* BREAKING - Germanwings pilot was locked out of the cockpit

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  1. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    I didn't say it wasn't. I said if it was premeditated, he might have had to wait for an opportunistic flight, because one this short there's no guarantee the pilot would need to use the loo.
     
  2. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. Look, there are 4 basic door types. None of them prevent entry of pilot crew without action from inside. Otherwise if anyone ever closed the door from outside flights would get delayed while some proceedure occured to open it back up.
     
  3. Rickity Plumber

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    So has his religion. Oops.

    Any deniers out there besides Oblowme and his left wing goons?
     
  4. AtsamattaU

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    I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. Passenger planes are not flown without pilots onboard, that's for sure. Flight plans can be uploaded/downloaded, but they can still be overridden by the onboard pilot. It doesn't really matter, though, because either way the passengers' lives are placed in the hands of someone else who has the power to take them down. Do you think people will be willing to entrust their lives to a faceless controller a thousand miles away over someone riding along with them? Remote piloting is even riskier with the cyberthreat - it's yet another factor in the risk caclculus.
     
  5. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe there is such a thing as a "pilotless" aircraft. The pilot is either onboard or he is operating remotely. In either case, the pilot is human and is as capable of causing the emergency as he is of handling it.

    As for this flight, the more I hear about Lubitz the less it makes sense. Could he really have had a spontaneous attack of depression when the pilot left the cockpit? Even if he did, depressed people aren't heartless murderers. And his silence while the tragedy unfolds is inexplicable. Wouldn't a depressed person sob a little bit? Respond to the pilot at the door? I'm still skeptical the guy was even conscious.

    Edit: Just saw the reports suggesting he was hiding a severe mental illness. Assuming it's more than depression, I could see someone with a sever mental condition carrying this out, responding to voices in his head or a perception that he was flying a plane filled with zombies. Or whatever. Tragic. Scary that something like that could be hidden from so many people.
     
  6. DentalFloss

    DentalFloss Well-Known Member

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    Not yet. But there will be.

    I want to hear the tape myself. Reportedly he was breathing normally throughout the descent, and the revelation that he was declared unfit to work for an as of yet undisclosed illness adds to the strangeness.
     
  7. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pilotless planes are quite capable of existence now. No one wants a pilotless aircraft.

    From another website.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...rmanwings-airbus-co-pilot-was-muslim-convert/
     
  8. AtsamattaU

    AtsamattaU Well-Known Member

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    All what evidence? I checked out your link and you are being played. But hey, gald you found someone who will tell you what you want to hear. For the right amount of money, I know some women who will tell you you're a good lover.
     
  9. catalinacat

    catalinacat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's more reported now, he was being treated by doctors and had sick note the day of the flight. In the past he had been in a psychiatric hospital for over a year.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/27/us-france-crash-idUSKBN0MN11N20150327

    He's an evil psychopath that had an illness that he hid because they would ground him. He's no different than any mass murderer out there who uses a gun to go on a rampage. He knew he would lose his license and he could no longer fly. He decided if he can't fly in the future, one last time he will fly and take out 150 people with him. So one day he decides to fly a plane into a mountain intentionally killing schoolchildren, babies and adults He had withdrawn for a year, his parents knew the truth. He was in a psychiatric hospital for over a year? Now the truth is coming out. What did we hear yesterday , " "oh he was so friendly and outgoing, can't believe he would do this." He didn't drop out in 2009 because of burn-out. The airline forced him out because of his behavior. Everyone in the airline is trying to cover themselves. The truth always comes out slowly, drip by terrible drip.
     
  10. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He was treated by doctors. Ok, have you been treated by doctors? Meaningless.

    He had a sick note on the day of the flight? For what, maybe an MRI appointment for a sprained ankle? Meaningless.

    He was a resident in a psychiatric hospital for over a year? I've read nothing to suggest this.

    The Health Clinic where he was seen denies "depression" treatment or diagnosis.

    Too soon and not enough info to make any statement of "fact".

    Cheers
    Labour
     
  11. catalinacat

    catalinacat Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did you read the entire link Labour? Here:
    And here:
    He's a pilot. They are in charge of hundreds of people on a plane. They have to be held to a higher standard.

    But hey, you go ahead and defend him all you want.
     
  12. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh, I'm not defending him. I'm suggesting that we are running on the rumor of evidence, rumor of breathing noises in a cockpit, rumor of tapping noises in distressed aircraft, rumor upon rumor based upon the hearing of Inspector Clouseau.

    Let me hear this recording from the flight deck. Let us find and analyze the flight data.

    The French Prosecutor has rushed this beyond what is acceptable in an aviation accident.

    Cheers
    Labour
     
  13. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    It is just a matter of time. Plus your scenarios are not absolute, software security can prevent the malicious hack.
     
  14. Beevee

    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Americans turn up everywhere. It seems they far prefer other countries to their own.
     
  15. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Source.

    This is not only wrong, its stupid.
     
  16. Beevee

    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So they aren't involved militarily in over 150 countries? My mistake! Or is it?

    You really shouldn't make statements you can't back up, although I wouldn't offer an opinion on your lucidity irrespective of the facts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments
     
  17. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Our military servicemen and women don't get to choose where they go... so they are not "preferring" to be in countries other than their own, and we were discussing a German civilian pilot... whom you ludicrously suggested was "probably" an American abroad, because Americans "prefer" being anywhere but America.

    You know, you shouldn't make statements you can't back up. In fact you should probably just refrain from making statements altogether .
     
  18. Beevee

    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you claiming that If they don't prefer to join the military to serve overseas, they are needed to quest civil unrest at home? Or do they just join the military to obtain a salary because they don't have the ability to work in civilian society?
     
  19. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am claiming that you are changing the subject because you made a stupid comment and are incapable of handling being called on it.

    Every country has a Military. That has nothing to do with your stupid claim that the German pilot was probably an American.
     
  20. Beevee

    Beevee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you are certain this co-pilot is not of American ancestry? And received training in the US military, which incidentally would make anyone suicidal.
     
  21. AmericanNationalist

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    In some cases, you might find that to be the case. Particularly, American service has been a long outstanding tradition.(See:GI Joe) and I can name other flims and shows which advocate for military service(You may or may not view this as propaganda. Me, I'm indifferent on it.) In other cases, for example our young Americans get enticed with a nice salary and with paying for college benefits.(Not that I view the tradeoff as worth it. If you die, you don't get to see much of it :D)

    As for our military bases around the world, I wish I could kick the Military-Industrial-Complex out of the U.S once and for all, but alas I'm a single man in this struggle for US Independence. When and if we get beyond partisan debate to silence the voices that guide us on this perpetual path to destruction, that's when you'll see change. Some bases(such as our Japanese/German ones) date back to WWII.

    And I agree they're pretty obstinate and useless now, as the theater in Europe is generally quiet(Ukraine issues not withstanding). Other than that, if I were CIC I'd pull the troops back. We don't need them overseas for no reason nor do we need to posture. The Complex has threatened US interests more than helped.
     
  22. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, but that is not the point. It was a ludicrous assumption to suggest, which you then further tried to rationalize as "normal".

    You are positively obsessed with America and hatred. It is unhealthy. You should perhaps talk to someone...

    ... and avoid piloting any aircraft.
     
  23. DentalFloss

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    According to news reports he was trained by Lufthansa, and just based purely upon his age it's all but impossible he was trained by the US Air Force. Not to mention you have to be a US Citizen to be an Officer, which all pilots are.

    And speaking as a Veteran of the US Army, I resent your snarky comment.
     
  24. Beevee

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    I talk to you.

    AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME UNHEALTHY.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Finally, someone here with some sense and not a party line hack.
     
  25. Beevee

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    I don't care whether you resent it or you don't. And that you are a veteran or not a veteran is immaterial to me.
     

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