* BREAKING - Germanwings pilot was locked out of the cockpit

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  1. CircleBird

    CircleBird Banned

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    So many people were frothing at the mouth hoping the pilot was a muslim. Shame...

    What if the pilot had been a muslim and just wanted to off himself and the plane like this german guy? Would anyone ever accept that explanation if he had been a muslim? Not a chance.

    That's is what prejudice is.
     
  2. Brewskier

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    How are you so sure he wasn't a Muslim?
     
  3. Brewskier

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    Because it's irrational to assume that that is even a possibility? What other group has used commercial airplanes to commit mass death and cause terror?
     
  4. AtsamattaU

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    You think customers would trust someone remotely controlling their ride over someone who's sitting onboard with them? No way. Not ever. The likelihood that a crazy person will crash a plane with himself on it is far lower than the likelihood that a crazy person will crash a plane remotely.
     
  5. CircleBird

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    Muslims were not the group that perpetrated 911. You are a bigot to classify it that way.
     
  6. Brewskier

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    So Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and the 19 hijackers weren't Muslims?

    Who did it, Bush?
     
  7. SourD

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    I think that's what they are getting at.
     
  8. shmittygoatman

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    No evidence so far that the co-pilot was Muslim, and the investigators deny that he was a terrorist at all. They also can't find evidence of recent depression. Still a terrible mystery.

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    Like it or not, the attackers were Muslim, and the perpetrators of many attacks over the past decades have been Muslim. I'm not saying that this classifies Islam as a whole, but they were professing Muslims.
     
  9. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Technology today could have stopped this insane tragedy, and many more.
     
  10. Primus Epic

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    Do you know what happened? Of course, not. So, that makes your comment sound like something only a supporter of Wars For Oil would make, because everyone in the entire world knows that the War On Terror is a real war, right?

    Here are the facts - because I don't see many of them in this thread at all:

    1) The aircraft was a Airbus A320. I am somewhat familiar with the airframe and the series of aircraft involved.
    2) All of the events alleged have been hypothetically derived at best, as there were no survivors to tell what actually took place.
    3) There are many conflicting statements having been given by the authorities and the media in this case.
    4) Concluding and/or assuming the religious leanings of the FO, is rank speculation at this point.

    Being a pilot myself, I don't much appreciate the pre-judgmental banter that typically accompanies an incident like this, but I do understand why such banter takes place.

    A) The authorities initially alleged that the Captain was unidentified. What the heck does that mean, "unidentified?" Does that mean that authorities don't want to identify the Captain, or they can't identify the Captain for some other reasons?

    B) The media reported that the Captain exited the cockpit and went to the lav shortly after reaching cruising altitude. It then turned right around and reported that the Captain and FO had already accomplished their mid-flight briefing for the instrument approach. Well, anyone knowing anything about being pilot of a commercial airframe where a crew is involved, already sees the big problem with such a conflicting statement.

    C) Both the media and the authorities alleged that the FO (after the Captain allegedly left the cockpit) "manipulated the buttons of the flight monitoring system," to initiate an "8 minute descent into the craggy French mountainside." First, the so-called "flight monitoring system," is called an AP (Autopilot). Second, you would not establish a descent based on time alone - you would dial-in a specified rate of descent into the AP, in terms of feet per minute (fpm).

    D) The authorities allege that he FO "said nothing from the moment the Captain left" the cockpit. Well, how would the "authorities" know - where they on-board to witness the FO saying nothing? Did someone else tell the authorities that the FO said nothing?

    E) The authorities and the media allege than a French Fighter was scrambled. Here we go again. There's always a Fighter being scrambled too late to do anything about the situation. Why is that? I will learn more about the scramble orders shortly.

    F) The authorities claim that they could hear victims screaming and "cries of terror" on the CVR. Really? How? Earlier, the same authorities alleged that the FO had denied cockpit door override access, putting it into lock-down mode and preventing anyone from penetrating the cockpit. What they don't tell you as that the post-911 A320 cockpit door design has changed significantly, not only in its security features, but in its physical dimensions as well. If the A320's new Phase II RCD (cockpit door) had been fully closed and on lock-down, there is no way on earth that any passenger noise would have been heard over the normal ambient cockpit noise levels. The FO's headset is not an open microphone found at the Karaoke bar. The mic itself has specific noise cancellation technology built into it, such that extraneous noises on cockpit interior are mitigated, if not outright cancelled. So, to pick up "screams of terror," from passengers as far away as the interior cabin, through a Phase II RCD that was allegedly in lock-down mode, is hardly something that I would be willing to accept as plausible, knowing full well what the acoustic environment is like on-board aircraft such as the A320.

    [video=youtube;ixEHV7c3VXs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixEHV7c3VXs#t=89[/video]

    I would caution people to NOT merely roll over and accept what either the Media or the so-called "Authorities" tell you. I would caution everyone to remain open minded and to keep their eyes wide open, when discussing this matter or any aircraft accident or incident subsequent to 911.

    911, with its missing aircraft, highly survivable and major aircraft components that could not be recovered, no OEM parts identification for all four (4) crash sites, parts allegedly found at crash sites that do not match any of the aircraft involved in 911, video footage on permanent lock-down by the United States Justice Department that clearly shows multiple lines of sight on what did strike the Pentagon (withheld from public viewing), to Otis AFB scrambling F-15s to intercept Flight 11 at an altitude that it knew Flight 11 was no longer maintaining, all the way to debris from Flight 93 showing up eight miles away in New Baltimore, should have taught everyone a lesson about "Official Stories" and Official Storytellers.

    Malaysia, Flight MH370 is still missing, which along with the official story that Flight 77 simply "vaporized" and/or "disintegrated" after penetrating the Pentagon (the primary reason for no OEM parts identification); and the outright disappearance of the entire airframe of Flight 93 into the farming soil of Pennsylvania (the primary reason for no OEM parts identification); has got to be three of the most bizarre commercial aviation mysteries of my lifetime as a pilot of some 30 years.

    In this world, you have to do your own homework and give not more than a grain of salt to the story offered up by the "Official Storytellers."
     
  11. Primus Epic

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    That same technology (today) is what gave the events on September 11th, 2001, its "wings" and made it successful for the War For Oil types in the world. Or, do I need to conduct another lesson on how to remotely control the FMS/FMC and AP of a commercial aircraft using ACARS over a SATCOM link.
     
  12. Primus Epic

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    The evidence contrary to the events of 911 having unfolded the way the Official Storytellers tell it, is not just weighty, but massive and overwhelm, to the point of absolute guarantee that the Official Story is not true and the Official Storytellers are liars - all of them.

    I can cover ALL of 911 from the air. That's my cup of tea. I know our nations air defense systems and I know the Boeing 757, inside and out. I know that there was no Boeing 757 at the Pentagon and I know that there was no Boeing 757 at Shanksville. Common sense tells me that, but far more than that, my experience having flown the 75, tells me that as well.

    Airframes like the 75, don't just "disintegrate" or merely "vaporize" (NIST/911 Report findings) into nothingness so obscure after colliding with terrain, or a free standing structure like a commercial building, as to make routine commercial aviation accident parts recovery of the most hardened components of the aircraft (nearly indestructible in whole) un-recoverable. And, when you find engine components that don't match those that were installed on the Boeing 757 in question, you raise red flags in the minds of those people who know the aircraft inside and out. When you tell me that a Boeing 757, pulled out of a +9g dive from several thousand feet at over 300kts, then placed its nose directly on the horizon with no more than 3-6 degrees pitch variance, then slammed into the side of a building at nearly 500kts while maintaining a height of less than 77 off the deck, all while a guy who failed a simple rental check-ride for a Cessna 172 was on the yoke, you are going to raise more than just red flags in my mine.
     
  13. Thirty6BelowZero

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    We're all prejudice and neither you, nor anyone else can say otherwise. But what we're all forgetting is how easy this situation can catch us off-guard. If this guy is linked to ISIS (all of who are muslim) then it's just one more punch to the gut.
     
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    Please stop using that word, it doesn't even work in the way you used it.
     
  15. Steve N

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    If you drill down one more level it's Muslim terrorism that's inadvertently responsible for this crash.
     
  16. Thirty6BelowZero

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    Again, a bigot is someone that is intolerant towards others who hold a different opinion. Ring a bell, CircleBird?
     
  17. Steve N

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    Niether does Cassius Clay, Mike Tyson, or OJ Simpson. But guess what? They are.

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    If you were in Vegas betting on the religion of the pilot, where would your money go?
     
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    What, exactly, is a "war on oil" type?
     
  19. BringDownMugabe

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    Hey, you're right. Maybe Jack the Ripper was an Islamic terrorist too! :roll:
     
  20. fiddlerdave

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    Do ANY of the people on this site who says "A Muslim did it" have ANY information that deliberately crashed airliners are captained by someone who is a Muslim?

    MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
  21. BroncoBilly

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    Is this Jesse Ventura?

    Drone technology has increased exponentially since 2001
     
  22. mdrobster

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    They will be a pilot until consumer confidence says there doesn't need to be one.
     
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    FYI, flight plans can be set, remote access can be controlled. It is being done now.
     
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    So it was done intentionally now for the motive..
     
  25. Brewskier

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    Like I said yesterday, progressives are going to spend a lot more emotional energy hoping that this doesn't turn out to be a Muslim than they did with the plane crash and loss of life. They are wired with ideology in mind, always.
     

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