People are lazy...stop complaining and open your own business

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  1. danielpalos

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    only the fantastical, right wing wants to lower wages to help the rich get richer faster, and make the poor work harder for less.
     
  2. danielpalos

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    How is small business harmed by a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage?

    How is our economy harmed by unemployment compensation at fourteen dollars an hours?

    In my opinion, if capitalists have to resort to cheap labor in the largest economy in the entire World; then there is simply something wrong with their business model. Any Firms that fail due to that issue, have structural problems, like Hostess, and should fail anyway. Consolidating more efficient Firms at that wage equilibrium helps small business compete more effectively in our global economy, not semi-skilled, cheap labor.

    By solving for a simple poverty of money for unemployed Labor, there is no harm to small business since more people will have more money to do more capital things that usually may involve, small business.

    The fantastical right wing only alleges a subscription to a moral of "work or die" from the Age of Iron; they do not practice what they preach when on means tested, corporate welfare.
     
  3. danielpalos

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    Come on then, good mistress capitalist. If it is so easy, then:

    [video=youtube;pbiSNE54c30]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbiSNE54c30[/video]

    I would be happy to establish a petty cash for a vacation for two for you (with your husband), in the Bahamas once we accomplish our objective.

    it is easy right? what have you got to lose. :nana:
     
  4. erayp

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    Pitting? no... just the facts.

    The poor no longer appreciate the help they get and it's time someone brings to light just how much they are getting while the middle class is expected to pay their tab and just as expected you'd rather I stay silent and to do that you attack instead of acknoloeging that yes, people demanding more of someone else's money have become unappreciative and greedy.

    So I ask again....

    A single person on welfare gets $194 (no tax owed) added to his EBT card each month. If you have a bigger family you get more of other people's money that THEY worked hard for. So while feeling sorry for them calculate this....

    1. A middle class person has to work how many hours after taxes to make $194 while the same is handed to them every month after taxes.

    2. A family of 3 on welfare gets $511 a month. How much do you as a middle class person have to work (after taxes) to make the same money? How much time are you away from your family, missing your daughters birthday, away from them at Christmas, missing the first step, not being able to tuck them in at night, all to make the same money that is "given" to them?

    I haven't even touched rent subsidies, electric, phone, healthcare subsidies, other services they get given to them at no cost but you'll have to pay full ticket price for.

    http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/how-much-could-i-receive
     
  5. danielpalos

    danielpalos Banned

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    improving the standard living of the poor must help the standard of living of everyone else, unlike simply helping the rich get richer, and expecting them to promote the general welfare of our Republic.

    It is not like Senate participation is a requirement, for the wealthy.
     
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    thank y'all for ceding your point and your arguments, in support of the measures advocated.
     
  7. erayp

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    Oh ok, so taking money from the middle class who have to work for every dime they get to give more to the poor who get everything handed to them.
     
  8. danielpalos

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    the middle class aren't the Only ones paying income taxes.

    thank you for playing, dear.
     
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    There are many of us in the sandwich generation, paying home health care aids to help take care of our elderly parent(s). I employ and pay the girls who help us $12 an hour. If wages are increased to $15 an hour I can no longer afford them and will have to let them go.
     
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    Ok, so afamily of 3 on welfare gets $511 a month.

    How much do you have to work (after taxes) to make the same money that the poor get handed to them?
     
  11. danielpalos

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    why is that? are there no other tasks you can give them make them worth fifteen an hour?

    remember, dear capitalist mistress:

    [video=youtube;di60NYGu03Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di60NYGu03Y[/video]

    you can do it.
     
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    don't really care, dear. do you deduct employee wages for tax purposes?

    i am not jealous of the poor, like you seem to be. why not be jealous of the rich, instead?

    Just supply side economics at its, republican finest.
     
  13. erayp

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    daniel, you've already shown you've chosen to ignore the truth, attacks in hopes that others will ignore the truth too. You'll never be better off because you've given someone else too much power over your life.

    I'm posting to point out facts to thinking people who are willing to ask these questions.
     
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    A middle class person slaving away at a job hoping to be able to retire some day, trying to figure out how much money they'll need to provide an income in their retirement years.... It’s always good to look at an income stream, passive or not, in the context of ...

    how much capital you would have to commit to generate the needed income..

    The poor are already passive income of which they did nothing to earn, save and invest for. The middle class needs to worry about yourselves, there is no safety net for you even though you pay for it.

    Will you a middle class person have enough money that pays you enough income to live off?
     
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    Creating genuine passive income is the holy grail. If government keeps taking more of your money that you should be used to build your holy grail, if you keep spending instead of saving and investing it then you'll work till the day you die. It's that simple!

    Or you'll live in poverty dependent on government for all your needs if you are lucky enough to qualify for tax payer funded government handouts.
     
  16. danielpalos

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    dear, it is about solving simple socioeconomic phenomena in a market friendly manner.

    social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour; it is why a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage makes rational sense to induce labor to work.
     
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    I would agree with that to an extent..

    Lots of viable one man operations ..but ya hiring people is rough
     
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    I agree to disagree. A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage help consolidate obsolete business models and practices in modern times.
     
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    Its called a rigged system.
     
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    Unfortunately, there are a lot of irrational people out there who believe you can get ahead without putting in the effort. I’ve even met some C students who think they deserve "A" lifestyles.

    No wonder credit cards are such big business. They allow consumers to realize their delusions.
     
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    Fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will only accelerate the automation of jobs formally done by the lower intelligent end of the bell curve.
     
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    Only if you have nothing but repeal instead of better solutions at lower cost. Are you on the right?

    some on the left are advocating for a fourteen dollar an hour minimum wage for unemployed Labor, so they can get globally skilled in our global economy.
     
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    My business is really just a hobby. I can't afford to pay 15 dollars an hour. I would love to get to the point I could pay a living wage. Should I deny paying anything to anyone because I can't pay more? That is what I do.
     
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    Exactly, 50 years ago you could start your own restaurant, or hardware store, or corner market....

    .... when there was no McDonald's, Walmart or Sam's Club.

    Give some examples of a good business to start today?
     
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    yes. you need to become more efficient by hiring more efficient labor, not simply expecting existing labor to be worth more, as if by fiat.
     

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