People are lazy...stop complaining and open your own business

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  1. erayp

    erayp New Member

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    Revenue ... half a million ba ha ha ha....

    Broken down per month, that's $41,666.66 in "revenue" a month, "minus expenses". What matters is liabilities (debt), how much you get to keep after expenses and taxes.
     
  2. danielpalos

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    i want to write a review and include the head waitress.
     
  3. Lesh

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    Thanks Captain Obvious
     
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    Many people with mental disability are called lazy.
     
  5. erayp

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    You made a claim to pull in x amount of revenue. Some people may be impressed but you don't tell the whole story. You ought to get into politics.
     
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    Here's an example of using numbers to mislead.... Obama, Hillary and other Democrats want you to believe the rich will pay rhetoric. ...

    Democrats know that people are not really understanding how the tax game is played. They know many people don’t understand the difference between being rich and having a high income. Taxes don’t impact rich people the way they negatively effect the working class who works for W2 income.

    Most of us don't have seed money (wealth) so we must work and make enough $ to pay bills and have extra to put aside for retirement. During your accumulation” phase" if you do not make enough you either get a better paying job, work overtime or a second job (exchange more of your time to earn income) or all of the above. There's one problem, the government wants a higher percentage, essentially unless you are tax savvy, the more of your time you exchange to earn an income the less you make per hour.

    Once your financial goals are achieved, you can finely tune your income to your actual expenses, dramatically reducing your tax level. This is one of the reasons why the wealthy are not afraid of taxes. So tell me, who does Obama really go after? The middle class trying to build "a freedom from having to work fund" who don't understand the tax game of course.

    People who support this either are

    a) ignorant to the tax game,
    b) hope to get a piece of it,
    c) useful idiots who believe the rhetoric,
    d) a combinations of above.

    If you support higher taxes to "get the rich" which one of the above are you?
     
  7. erayp

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    Everybody wants the end result but the discipline to achieve that result is usually lacking. Obama, Hillary and Democrats promise "magic" legislation that will help you create wealth without changing your habits. Obama promised to legislate your prosperity 8 years ago, look around, nothing has changed for the majority of people. Hillary makes the same promises. We all know Hillary lies so what makes you believe she is telling the truth now? She needs your vote, she benefits, you don't. It's just more empty promises and nothing changes.

    Instead of listening to the same thing poor people believe and do, the first step is to

    Shift your circle of influence!

    To build your wealth (freedom fund) there is a lot to be learned and you won't learn listening to the same people in the same financial place as you.

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  8. danielpalos

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    do our wars on crime, drugs, and, terror, help the poor get poorer, and have to pay back money as restitution that helps fund government as that form of "hidden tax" borne disproportionately, by the least wealthy.

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    It is about ensuring full employment in our markets for labor as that form of promotion of the general welfare.
     
  9. Lesh

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    Gee I wonder why tax cuts that your wonderful GOP demand always are weighted towards the rich then.

    Could it be that you don't know what you're talking about?

    Could it be that you're dishonest?

    Yea it sucks that overtime is taxed as if you make that much all year...but guess what? You don't and that means you'll get a refund on most of that.

    Nothing the GOP has ever done or proposes to do would change that.

    But what that kind of thinking (and the policies that stem from it) HAS done is things like end financial aid for college for all but the very poor.

    Oh you say...a flat tax? That will cut taxes for ther rich in half and RAISE taxes on ALL of the money everyone else earns.
     
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    Only the right is cognitively dissonant enough to want to lower taxes while prosecuting wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror.
     
  11. erayp

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    Of course they are weighted toward the rich and that's my point. The middle class always gets hit with taxes. don't you read??? <smack> And Obama didn't do the middle class any favors.
     
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    Let's abolish the War on Drugs to lower our Tax burden.
     
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    You do realize that you contradicted yourself in the same sentence...right?
     
  14. Keynes

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    I just wanted to get your opinion on this, being a true business owner yourself.

    The other night I spent about an hour on the phone with a friend of my girlfriend's. She is not one of my favorite people by any means. One of these Daddy's little girl entitled princesses...need I say more? Told her father she wanted nothing to do with the family business, had everything handed to her, got out in the real world and realized she actually had to take responsibility for her actions, ran back to daddy and had inherited the business within six months. Now her favorite way to start any sentence is,"As a business owner..." You could say, "What's the weather supposed to do today." Her response: "Well, as a business owner..." She also has the annoying habit of looking down on people not as fortunate as her, in fact she says the same thing the OP does: "Just start your own business...it's not that hard." So, why did I talk to her? Because my girlfriend wasn't there and she was in tears and I am an old softie.

    Apparently, she had gone to a chamber of commerce meeting and, "they wouldn't even listen to me. They ignored me and wouldn't let me say anything and when I did they just talked right over me. It's like they didn't respect me as a business owner." And, very gently, (I am actually pretty proud of myself for this) I said, "Well, I am sure they don't respect you as a business owner. What you have to remember is that a lot of these people you're going to be dealing with actually had to build their business. They started with nothing, and I mean literally nothing - no savings,no help from mom and dad...nothing.And over the course of 20, 30, 40 and even 50 years they slowly built something. Then you walk in and for no other reason than but by the grace of fluke luck, who your parents are, you now have what they've had to dedicate a significant portion of their lives to attain. You haven't taken the risk they have, you haven't put in the work they have, you haven't put in the time they have so no, you're not going to have their respect because quite frankly you don't deserve it."

    Her only response was to wail, "What do you mean? I'm a business owner tooo!" I said, "Well, Kermit the Frog has a Ph.D from the University of Maryland...it doesn't I'd trust him to help me do my thesis." I tried to explain it in a variety of ways. The best way I could come up with was, "Well, you know how there are transgender people? You know, they might be born a man but self-identify as a woman? Ok...yeah, you self-identify as a business owner...but when it comes right down to it...you're not. There's a lot of things daddy can buy you but respect isn't one. You're just going to have to work hard to earn it."

    Any advice you can give to me on how I can explain to this little girl (and I don't care how old she is, she is a little girl) that she is not, in reality, a business owner?
     
  15. Keynes

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    HAHA! You remind me of a boss I used to work for. He called us all into the conference room one day and told us that we had to change our whole mindset. "I am your number one priority. You need to work hard so I can stay in business...remember I'm the one who gave you a job in the first place." I leaned over to a friend of mine and said, "Good God, does he want us to dance a jig and sing "Mammie", too?" My friend let out a snicker which my boss overheard. "Oh," he said. "You have somethng to add?" I said, "Well, I guess I must have been misinformed. I thought we all had a job because there was a demand for the services we provide." "NO! You have a job because I took the risk and gave you a job!" I said, "So, you would have started this business and given us all jobs if there wasn't a demand for our services?" He was turning red at this point. "Don't be a smartass! Just remember...it is a privilage to work here. Once you stop thinking of it as a privilege you can drive right on by." He stormed out, slamming the door. We all sat there looking at each other for about three seconds before we burst out laughing.
     
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    And what of the people who are doing "everything it takes" and are still struggling? I assume you realize it's possible to make no mistakes and still not reach the top.
     
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    Yep, then you've done something wrong or doing something wrong. No politician is going to change that.
     
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    LOL, oh wow. this actually happened? So if you don't work, why should he pay you?

    If you don't like the JOB why don't you leave and find another job?
     
  19. Keynes

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    Where is it stated or even implied that we didn't work? And if it isn't (which, it isn't), how did you infer that we didn't work? It seems to me you are trying to stuff me into a metaphorical box of sorts in order to use some pre-fabricated, probably plagarized, cookie cutter arguement.

    I did (notice I said I had a boss). In fact, less than a month later half of us had left. Eighteen months later, he was out of business.
     
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    Good.

    So he took the risk and is now out of business and you laugh, no skin off your back.
     
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    I know someone who started working when he was sixteen years old to help his family pay medical bills. He put himself through college and worked his way up from technician to engineer to manager in small to mid-sized companies and then spent the 90s at a large corporation. He saved dilligently, never went anywhere on vacation, never bought anything extravagant. In 2000 he left a mid-level corporate job to start his own Web desigining business. Two years later, he had a stroke. Over the next two years, he spent all his savings, including what he had intended to use to pay off his mortgage, all his business capital and a second mortgage, to regain the use of the left side of his body.

    Slowly, he began to rebuild his business. Then in 2009, the Great Recession decimated his client-base and obliterated his retirement fund.
    Most of the small and mid-sized business he'd worked with were either closed or sold off, and his corporate clients brought their work in-house.

    I think he could have survived the stroke or the recession, but not both. Last month the bank began foreclosure on his home of 30 years, forcing him to file chapter 13 bankruptcy to save it. After 44 years of working full-time as a contributing middle-class citizen, he now earns well below the poverty line and close to losing everything.

    He worked hard his entire life.He saved. He educated himself. He didn't live above his means. He started his business with enough capital and had a viable business model. Please, tell me what he did wrong.
     
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    it is less expensive than paying for their, War on Drugs.

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    Only the right is cognitively dissonant enough to believe Prohibition will work now, when it has never worked in the history of our Republic.
     
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    does that mean we can just ask Muslim women to simply practice making babies with us?
     
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    Politicians change that all the time. Moving the goal posts in a seemingly, arbitrary and capricious manner is what they are best at.

    Simply being "too big to fail" is one example in our fine, Capital, republic.
     
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    remember, under truer forms of capitalism like the right alleges to want, it is "work or die"; there are no social safety nets.
     

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