People are lazy...stop complaining and open your own business

If you have enough to invest, you have enough to invest in tax preferred investments.

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I believe we can better promote the general welfare of the "middle class", by solving for simple poverty and the capital effects of capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment, for the least wealthy.

A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage helps out.

 

Your problem is a lack of tax preferences or loopholes. You need to talk to a tax accountant.

dear, we have a Small Business Administration that helps those wealthy enough to invest in a business.

anyone can learn how to invest in the stock market on unemployment compensation. why put limits on being able to invest your way out of poverty? only the Cognitively Dissonant and fantastical, right wing, does that.

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because it is Means Tested not for profit.

by contrast, the wealthiest even get to keep their multimillion dollar bonuses when they get "bailed out" by Means Tested, corporate welfare.

 

LOL we've had a war on poverty for 50 years. People will take advantage of other people for as long as you let them. At some point we have to stop and you won't solve the middle class issues by taking more of their money. Nice try though.

 

Stop being so jealous of other people. Get off this computer and get out there to make more money instead of demanding other people give away more of their money.

 

A $15 an hour job isn't going to do SH*T for you. Ask who makes $15 an hour, there still struggling to make ends meet. And their up to their eyeballs in debt. They owe, they owe, so off to work they go.

Awww ... freedom!

 

You didn't even read my posts.

Even funnier is you think you know it all but can't even make $15 bucks an hour. LOL You still don't get that exchanging your time for money will never make you rich. Yep, in your mind if you could only make $15 an hour you'll be living the good life. What a hoot! ROFLMAO

 

Our, War on Poverty is just right wing propaganda for a warfare-State economic paradigm instead of a welfare-State economic paradigm that simply relies on Commerce, well regulated to accomplish its policy objectives.

Our War on Poverty does nothing to actually solve simple poverty or the capital effects of capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment.

Nice try though.

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stop being so jealous of other people, i am not complaining about my tax burden; why are you.

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just clueless and Causeless; i got it.

fifteen dollars an hour competes favorably with the cost of social services. it is just rational choice theory under Any form of Capitalism. only the right believes capitalism is useless, but for talking points.

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Yes, I did. You are the one complaining you are too incompetent to find tax breaks yourself, as management.

fifteen dollars an hour competes favorably with the cost of social services. too bad your version only works with your special pleading. how typical of the right.

 

Keep begging for $15 bucks for every hour of your life you give up. I don't care.

 

i have a better reason than just the profit motive of the bottom line.

 

yea what's your better reason than profit motive?

Then good, you'll be happy exchanging your time for money until you die.

 

you are doing that now. i am advocating solving simple poverty and the capital effects of capitalism's natural rate of unemployment at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage.

micro-economics is about micro stuff. macro economics is about macro stuff.

keep trying, though.

 

I'm advocating for the middle class that pays everyone else's bills but will be left out in the cold when they are old. The poor are being taken care of.

A single person gets $194 (no tax owed) added to his EBT card each month.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/how-much-could-i-receive

1. Calculate how much you have to work to make the same amount of $ that they get handed to them every month after taxes.

2. A family of 3 on welfare gets $511 a month. How much do you as a middle class person have to work (after taxes) to make the same money? How much time are you away from your family, missing your daughters birthday, away from them at Christmas, missing the first step, not being able to tuck them in at night, all to make the same money that is "given" to them?

I haven't even touched rent subsidies, electric, phone, healthcare subsidies, other services they get given to them at no cost but you'll have to pay full ticket price for.

 

Now lets say you're middle class saving and investing and want to save for retirement. How much stock would you need to own to pay for the same passive income the poor and low income people get?

$194.00 a month ($2,340.00 a year) = How much T stock?
$511.00 a month ($6,132.00 a year) = How much T stock?

And they complain? The poor are being taken care of but they've gotten greedy and want more of your money. They don't care if you have to work till 75, 85, or your death. The middle class better start worrying about themselves.

Believe me, I've looked into it, if you're middle class you won't qualify for the safety net. They soak you dry then slam the door in your face when you need help. And they want to take more money from you.

 

Yea...how DARE them think they could possibly get more than six thousand a year...those greedy poor people!

There's people like you with six figure incomes that WANT that money!

 

dear, it is why I am advocating for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and fourteen dollars an hour for unemployment compensation, simply for being unemployed; as an opportunity cost. now do you understand?

 

Yup, just alleged capitalists with lousy, capital management skills. they should be talking to tax specialists who can minimize their tax "footprint", like the rich. I guess we can't always expect them to do and not merely say, by example.

 

dear, anyone can learn to invest in stocks, with unemployment compensation at fourteen dollars an hour. only the right is cognitively dissonant enough to put time limits on capital opportunities.

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The poor are being taken care of.

A single person on welfare gets $194 (no tax owed) added to his EBT card each month. If you have a bigger family you get more of other people's money that THEY worked hard for. So while feeling sorry for them calculate this....

1. A middle class person has to work how many hours after taxes to make $194 while the same is handed to them every month after taxes.

2. A family of 3 on welfare gets $511 a month. How much do you as a middle class person have to work (after taxes) to make the same money? How much time are you away from your family, missing your daughters birthday, away from them at Christmas, missing the first step, not being able to tuck them in at night, all to make the same money that is "given" to them?

I haven't even touched rent subsidies, electric, phone, healthcare subsidies, other services they get given to them at no cost but you'll have to pay full ticket price for.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/how-much-could-i-receive

 

Lets say you're middle class and you've slowed up, and don't feel well, you need to retire. Remember, the poor already have their freedom (you paid for their freedom) while you have to work, save and invest for your freedom. That's why I call them greedy, we work to put food on their table, house them etc but they want more. They don't care if you have to work until your 90 or die. They want more.

You'll get a small amount from SS (which you've paid into all your working life) but it won't be enough. You know you won't qualify for EBT or other subsidies so you have to have enough money aside to subsidies your income either by drawing down or with investing for cash flow. So if you decide to invest in a diversified stock portfolio.

How much money earned from w2 income from prior years of working do you have to invest for that income. Keep in mind, the same poor people are still getting all kinds of subsidies (money).

$194.00 a month ($2,340.00 a year) = How much T stock?
$511.00 a month ($6,132.00 a year) = How much T stock?

 

My point is, we take care of our poor, but no one promised them a life of luxury. They want the life that you and I work hard for and who many go in debt for but they want it on your dime. They've become greedy.

Also... for most people who work for minimum wage ... it was "YOU" who lacked the foresight of planning for a better future and and it was YOU who didn't put in the effort. You did nothing to assure you have the skills to qualify for a job that is better paying, instead you believe the government should legislate laws.

Notice the people I describe above .... it's always everyone else's fault, never their fault. Naturally they are not going to like my posts. I point out the facts and for that, I expect attacks from the people I describe above.

As harsh as it sounds, the middle class better start worrying about yourselves, how will you take care of yourselves when you can no longer work? As I've said, I've learned the rules of "the safety net" and the middle class will be in shock when they learn how low the income limits are to qualify for help. It's not a safety net for the middle class, it's a continuation for people who've been on the dole most of their lives. You, the middle class will get no help even though you paid for it all your working lives. You could say, yea, when I learned how the middle class is being robbed and see the greed is from both the poor and the super rich, I'm out of sympathy.

 

Then stop complaining about taxes, dear.

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How much could you have lowered your tax burden by investing in tax preferred investments?

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Why are the rich, "too big to fail"?

 

Quote Originally Posted by erayp View Post
The poor are being taken care of.

A single person on welfare gets $194 of other peoples money and they do nothing to earn that money. If you have a bigger family you get more of other people's money that THEY worked hard for. So while feeling sorry for them calculate this....

1. A middle class person has to work how many hours after taxes to make $194 while the same is handed to them every month.

2. A family of 3 on welfare gets $511 a month. How much do you as a middle class person have to work (after taxes) to make $511 a month? How much time are you away from your family, missing your daughters birthday, away from them at Christmas, missing the first step, not being able to tuck them in at night, all to make the same money that is "given" to them?

I haven't even touched rent subsidies, electric, phone, healthcare subsidies, other services they get given to them at no cost but you'll have to pay full ticket price for.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/how-much-could-i-receive

 

stop being so jealous of the poor for not actually having to spend money lobbying for social safety nets or no income tax burden, dear.

supply side economics is currently about bailing out the wealthiest, and then letting it trickle down. it is why the "free market" crowd of the right, is so, disingenuous.

 

So why exactly are you pitting the poor against the very poor?

Oh that's right...that's what greedy multiple six figure earners do when they want to justify screwing BOTH of those groups.

 

the rich are being taken care through public policy initiatives such as our current regime of supply side economics, which is a "euphemism" for bailing out the rich and then letting it trickle down.

why be so jealous of the poor under our form of Capitalism, dear?