This is interesting and I'm not criticizing these findings but I'm biased in thinking they probably aren't true. While this study is not fully accepted as being the absolute final word on homosexuality, it does make me wonder how living things programmed to reproduce can have a genetic anomaly that not only continues on, but exists world wide in all races regardless of region or global location. I would think a genetic variant that's not conducive to reproduction would eventually wander off and fade into the sunset on its own as part of the evolutionary process. Thoughts?
I believe it's biology. I haven't been attracted to females since I was 12 because of societal norms. And I haven't avoided homosexual relationships because of societal norms. I went after women and avoided men because that's how I'm programmed.
No doubt it's somehow genetic. Given how it occurs, I don't see how it could be anything else. Too many people with perfectly 'normal' upbringings end up gay or bi or whatever.
I've gone one for ya. My sister is gay, but she only went in that direction after a long term relationship with a man failed. 2 of my cousins are gay and they lived 200 yards from us. The kid across the street was gay and well as the girl who babysat me when she was young and she lived 75 yards from me. I'm Italian, Irish, German and Armenian. My cousins are Italian, Armenian and German. The kid across the street had a last name of Walsh, whatever that is. My baby sitter was Polish. The only thing any of us had in common was the area we grew up in. I'm just throwing this out there.
OK. I doubt that ethnic background makes much of a difference, though. The genetic differences between ethnic groups are truly minuscule.
Some men just aren't interested in women. But in the past 4 to 5 years, people have tried to make it appear to be a cool and trendy thing to be gay, therefore a lot of people have said they were gay. It's an attention getter. It's convenient that 90% of people who suddenly become gay, suddenly develop a high pitched voice with a lisp. And if it's due to having abnormal chromosomes then what we've been saying, since it was cool to be gay, is solidified now. It's abnormal.
The answer is yes, everything about people is the product of their genetics and their environment (upbringing, injuries, life events, experience). Just like people who are homophobic there is genetics and environment at play. I know the homophobes try to claim since there is not one gene that definitely says homosexual has a genetic element, therefore it must not. Which shows they know nothing about genetics. Traits are rarely the product of a single gene, but a complex interplay between many genes. I don't even think it matters if a genetic element is found or not, its irrelevant to homosexuality and the rights of homosexuals And don't even get started on the absolutely ridiculous "homosexuality is a choice." if it was, there would be a ton of gay man sex out there. Imagine frat parties if guys could choose to be attracted to other guys. Forget having to work hard to have sex with a woman, lets just have group orgys. It doesn't happen because attraction is biological. It's not a conscious decision anybody makes. If that were the case, a lot of the really cool, but unattractive people out there wouldn't be so lonely
Another gay gene study that will fail to be replicated. This is noth more thsn a false positive same as the last one and the obe before that etc. At p=0.05 if you look at enough genes you will get a false positive.
The only gay person who I can really talk to about this is my sister, and like I said, she had no interest in women until the relationship with her long time boy friend took a dump. I once asked her if she thought she was born gay and she couldn't tell me.
It's not a conscious decision but unless you make a conscious decision to go against your subconscious decision you're a homophobe. Where do you guys come from?
There are plenty of genetic factors which propagate despite being disadvantageous. For example, there are genetic conditions that commonly lead to death in childhood. The genes which trigger those things will continue because they're not always active in carriers, often needing to come from both parents for example. Genetic traits also tend to result from sets of genes and it's possible that closely related sets carry beneficial traits too so the individual genes will be commonly propagated. Social aspects were probably a factor too. Until very recently (and still not entirely today), homosexuality wasn't socially acceptable and everyone was expected to have children regardless. It seems possible that plenty of people with genetically-influenced homosexuality in the past felt obliged to marry and have children anyway. passing on those genes.
saying it's genetic is a double edged sword. yes, it means if you're gay it's not your fault and you shouldn't be hated for it. but it also means it's a genetic code that can be extracted and replaced from an embryo. so what does that mean? heterosexual parents can have the choice to decide if their kid is going to be gay or not. what do you think they'll choose?
I have an uncle ( son of the people that raised my dad so he's not blood related ) who was married to a woman for a couple of years and went to Florida for college. While he was there, he came out.
What the hell does what you posted have anything to do with what I said? Are you denying that there are people out there that want to be able to discriminate against gay people, not do business with them, fire them from jobs, and limit their rights? That there are homophobes that make those idiotic arguments? None of those things effect those people personally, and they have absolutely no legit argument to prevent them from getting married, or that they should be free from discrimination. Those people are homophobes. They don't like it so they hate these people.
In a post filled with ridiculous stereotypes, this takes the cake! Since you say that "90%" of these supposed "sudden-onset gays", it certainly would be easy you show us a couple of examples of previously manly-sounding men now talking exclusively with a "high pitched voice with a lisp"!
I have long said...some gay people have that preference due purely to biological reasons AND some have that preference due to biological and personal reasons (I.e. they were bisexual and their experiences pushed them towards preferring their own sex). I also believe that far more people are bisexual (to some extent) then is generally believed. For starters, look at all the men who swear up and down they are straight (and had only been with women previously), yet get into gay relationships while encarcerated. Also, men who claim to be straight, yet prefer the company of other men for just about everything but sex AND like their women to be like 'one of the guys'. Sorry...no way you are convincing me those men are 100% straight. They are definitely bisexual, IMO. Maybe not very much...but at least a little. I like my women to be as feminine as possible (while strong/intelligent)...if they are REALLY into guy stuff/have a one-of-the-guy's personality, I find it a complete turn off. Yet I have known lots of guys whom I played team sports with (hockey, football, soccer), raced cars with and got drunk with who seem as butch as you like...but openly want their women to generally like what/act like they do. These guys are DEFINITELY bi, IMO. They basically want a guy who looks like a woman (don't mention it to one though...unless you want a fight - verbal or otherwise, lol). And there are a LOT of guys like this. And I am not even talking about women on the subject, many of whom are clearly at least somewhat bisexual. They just are less uptight/in denial about it then many men are. I cannot prove any of the above..it just seems ridiculously obvious to me.
If I took videos of people before and after they came out gay then I'd show you some links. Stereotypes are earned. Plenty of white guys can dance and jump high, but most can't so we're stuck with that stereotype. Same applies to gay guys with a bent wrist, lisp, and strut. It would appear that reality offends you.
You have to see different versions of family units as competitors to propagate their collective DNA, not just individuals. Your gay uncle or aunt can succeed in propagating the 'gay allele' without having kids of their own, if they provide an evolutionary benefit for family which will also carry the parts of the gay allele even if it is not the complete package that produced strict homosexuality. In other words, if they don't have of their own offspring, and they put that protective energy into providing or nurturing the children of their brothers and sisters, then those children receive extra attention and benefit and are more likely to reach adulthood, thus the gay allele does not actually die off, but thrives in the next generation. In effect gay relatives work in the family unit, much like a healthier, younger and stronger version of a grandparent.
I work with a gay guy who says it's both. His theory is some are born gay and some are born straight, while most are more fluid in their sexuality. I think the percent of those who are fluid is lower than he does, but I think he's on to something.
They say schizophrenia is passed on genetically and often skips a generation. My mother-in-law has schizophrenia real bad, my wife doesn't, but my 19 year old kid is showing signs of it.
You have it backwards. It used to be socially unacceptable to be gay. You were an abomination to god, defective, an outcast, and mentally unhealthy. It is not that being gay has become popular; it is the decline in religion and the believe that being gay is bad. (M'kay!) Behavior is always consistent with identity. Once someone is comfortable identifying themselves as gay, the behavior will always follow. No one is being gay to gain popularity.
All things dealing with our minds are chemical. So while environmental factors can influence things the ability to feel attraction too anything has to be biological. Genes control those functions unless some outside chemical influence is introduced. So I do not see how it cannot be genetic since I do not believe there is a drug that can make you strait or gay. So real question if this is genetic and if can be manipulated do we allow parents to choose sexual preference?
