Do true believers eat this stuff

Have you tried it? Or are you simply using its existence and low "carbon footprint" to ridicule and bait those who understand the science of AGW? What's your motivation for this comment thread?

 

I eat it now and then because it's good but not because I think mans warming the planet. Just an honest question for true believers. Do you eat it in place of meat or do you say screw my carbon footprint I want my meat and my MTV too!

 

Some positivity in a great interview with professor Tim Flannery. Some of the issues raised in this thread brought up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episo...ry-chief-councillor-climate-council-australia

 

Reducing the truly harmful factory farming methods is the way to go. But I think people in general have too little knowledge to properly judge what meat is environmentally harmful, and what's the quite opposite. Here in Norway, sheep is cheap, but it's also the most environmentally friendly meat you can eat. Way more environmentally friendly than imported crops. Chicken and pig is also cheap, but it's not anywhere near as environmentally friendly, as it requires compound feed, usually imported from Brazil.

And this whole re-wilding is not necessarily environmentally friendly at all. I don't know how long Wales and Scotland have been deforested, and I don't know enough to really be sure if it's a good idea for biodiversity to reforest it again. But in general in Europe, most countries have had a trend of reforesting cultural landscapes, which have in turn totally wrecked the biodiversity that has developed over the thousands of years of small scale agriculture. Norway and Switzerland are pretty much the only countries left keeping some of it alive. It's the boring kind of biodiversity though, like moss, insects, plants and small critters. Not the PR-friendly biodiversity like wolves, elephants, and other "majestic" creatures.

As for "natural habitat". I think this is where most people are missing the mark. For thousands of years, humanity have been changing the natural habitat of Europe. There simply isn't any wild nature in Europe, and there haven't been for a long, long time. But over thousands of years, we've created an entirely new "natural habitat" which has been sustainable for thousands of years, and we've only recently turned to methods that aren't sustainable. The solution is not to abandon human influence over those areas, as that would wreck biodiversity, as has happened in Germany. They have some of the least environmentally friendly agriculture in Europe, and it's been helped along by well meaning environmentalists.

 

Got any shrooms! LOL used to be a big fan. I'd leave gates how I found then, never litter or harass livestock. Once, i pulled a fence staple when climbing a 5 strand, next I returned, I brought a hammer and fixed it.

If anyone thinks I will pay double the money for a fake burger, they bumped their head. Maybe if the price drops to 30% of real beef...maybe.

My Dad makes good money in cattle futures, just not as good as Hillary, lol.

 

Lamb is more expensive than beef and more than twice the price of pork and chicken here. The cost of slaughtering and butchering is what appears to make the difference as sheep on the hoof are actually quite cheap. The comparatively small weight of a sheep compared to a larger pig or cow makes the difference.

The forests in Scotland have been cleared since neolithic times for fuel and timber but the reduction of the Caledonian (Roman name for Scotland meaning wooden heights) forests to around 5% of its original size has happened relatively recently. The tipping point was a couple of hundred years ago caused by the overgrazing of sheep and the rise in numbers of red dear (encouraged by English landlords wanting to stalk deer for sport). Young saplings being eaten by the deer has lead to ''geriatric'' forests and a halt to replacement. Some areas were burnt as part of the eradication of your freind the wolf.
This has lead to the extinction or near extinction of natural fauna such as beaver, wild boar and lynx plus innumerable unsexy creatures like wood ants. Forests being the most bio-diverse habitats on the planet. The loss of large preditors exasperating the damage caused by deer and other grazing animals.
The rise in human populations and more demand for timber (in England more than locally) is the root cause but the introduction of grazing animals is the nail in the coffin that has made natural recovery impossible.
There's now a lot of money and effort going into replacement of native trees but it is small scale and expensive. You don't just have to replant trees, you also have to protect the saplings with collars and put in large amounts of fencing.
Rewilding is a misleading term I suppose considering the management required to acheive it. The outcome is hugely beneficial to bio-diversity and the carbon cycle though.
I realise this is going to push some of your buttons my freind (sheep grazing,hunting and wolves) but there you are, the facts laid out and at least I didn't mention whales.

 

Sorry no shrooms. Lots of ditch weed though. Years ago I had a gelding with severe gotch eye that would cause him to shy at every stick or dirt clod on the ground. I took to riding him mostly when there was good bud on the ditch weed. After 30 minutes of edibles he mellowed out to the point he could even cut cows pretty good. Medical marijuana before it was cool.

That’s funny about Hillary.

 

There are liberty caps here on the pastures and ergot in the wheat.
I wouldn't advise taking the latter though unless you want to lose your toes to gangrene.
What is ditch weed btw. Hemp?
We don't have that expression here.

 

Yes ditch weed is wild hemp. Very low THC. I wouldn’t be surprised if other cannabinoid levels are high though. It did affect the horse. Horses have taught me a lot. A horse made me a believer in acupuncture.

Fully legalizing hemp in the US would be good for agriculture and the environment.

Are liberty caps just schrooms from the other side of the pond?

 

Yes, they are the most common psylocybin mushroom used here.
Found mostly in sheep pasture as they tend to eat around them but keep the grass short enough to spot them. School sports fields are another place they grow.


fly agaric are another one but their high toxicity makes them less popular as correct preparation is vital.

You, me and Jello are in agreement there. Well worth a listen if you've not heard it before.

 

Hemp drinking straws for everybody.

 

Here in the south east psilocybe cubensis is common, grows on cow patties. Seen some with recent rains when driving in the county, lots of cows here. Fun fact, the active ingredients in fly agaric pass thru the urine, unmetabolized. Some use to uhmm...'recycle' them. If it were me, I'd just hunt some more mushies.

Never did those aminita muscaria. The aminita genus contains some deadly ones.

 

Yup, I know all about the practise of drinking reindeer piss (not personally) and how fly agaric were used to herd them as they stood out in the snow due to their bright red colour.

 

Please define what you call "true believers."

 

Those that believe man is the primary driver of climate.

 

It's not a belief it's a scientific concensus supported by empirical evidence.
A belief is an unproved theory like the existence of gods or fairies.

 

AGW is a hypothesis and as yet unproven so as of now if you live your life based around it you are a true believer and it is your God or fairy