Do true believers eat this stuff

Approximately half the calves born are bulls. If you do not butcher, you will end up with about half cows and half bulls. There will be plenty of bulls to breed. You can butcher the bulls and throw away the meat suppose, but that seems kind of silly.

 

I wouldn't dispute any of that but this is meant to be a conversation about the carbon footprint and environmental impact of meat production.
Cheap, intensively farmed meat for use in the chains of fast food outlets are the real problem both for health and the environment and free range organic meat production is too expensive for most families to eat every day.
Factory farmed meat needs to be phased out and good meat eaten less frequently.
It is only during the last century that the majority of people have been able to eat meat several times a day.
During that period the fat content of chickens has increased by 1000% and stomach cancers from too much red meat consumption has also increased exponentially.

 

Where did I say that animals currently being produced should not be eaten?
I'm talking about reducing consumption and production of meat not banning meat eating.

 

How are you going to reduce production? Cows are cows and bulls are bulls and they both know what the other is good for.

 

Either you are a troll or an idiot.
You reduce production by breeding fewer animals and using the land for other purposes.
I'm starting to think you are an urbanite with no idea of how farming works.

Most bulls are castrated before they reach maturity (bullocks) and for those which are kept for breeding we have these things in the countryside called hedges and fences to keep them away from cows and heifers.

 

I am neither a troll nor an idiot. Watch your language.

You cannot just reduce production. Around here, beef cattle are free range. They live and breed pretty much without human intervention except for extra hay in the winter. You either thin the herd by butchering or the herd gets bigger. It would finally get so big that it could not live off the land and it would get no larger. When you are talking about artificial insemination, you are talking primarily about dairy cattle. Which by the way, do you intend to reduce their numbers also?

 

BULLOCKS.

 

Explain where I am wrong.

 

I just did. Bullocks.
If you think herd sizes are not managed then my previous assesment of your knowlege of farming has been proved accurate.

 

They are managed. They are limited by the size of the pasturage available and possibly by water and other factors.. You cannot just let them go without butchering. If left to themselves, the herd would either stay at the same size or get larger. In which case, you have gained nothing by not butchering.

And again, there are more wild animals out there than domestic. All, in all, there is no net gain in anything by limiting the meat supply.

 

fact is, Cow farts hurting the environment is just false vegan propaganda

meat is not going away, you can choose not to eat it, but as it's healthy and good, most of us will always eat meat

over farming of fruits vegetables and all the pesticides on the other hand harm the land and our waters

I call BS on the cancer being caused by chicken and red meat, it's caused by too much sugar, cancer loves sugar, a high carb\low fat diet is what is causing cancer

Fruits have become much sweater in recent times and are now more of a junk food snack high in sugar content

eating sugar and grains multiple times a day, all day, is new to the human race and that is the cause of increases in metabolic diseases and cancer

 

Oh FFS. I've already told you I have not said that current herds shouldn't be butchered.
I've also explained how you can reduce herd sizes (bullocks and separation of bulls from cows and heifers).
I've also explained why meat production consumes far more resources and generates more greenhouse gases than other food.

I am not going to keep repeating myself if you are incapable or unwilling to take on board what I've already said.

So please stop strawmanning and repeating the same dumb arguments if you want any further response from me.

 

You can. Do you intend to pasture the bulls in one pasture and cows in separate pastures or do you intend to butcher to keep down the herd size. Pretty much the way it is done now.

By the way, do you intend to tell the beef farmers that they must limit their herd size?

 

I think grass fed may be the future of meat. I mostly eat venison but when I do buy beef it's local grass fed

 

Cow farts is a dumb meme for the ill informed.
Cows and sheep do release large quantities of methane but it mostly comes out of the other end of the animal.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...sions-cattle-11-percent-higher-than-estimated
Many health concious people are reducing their consumption of unhealthy processed and red meats and meat free diets are on the increase.
Sure, intensively farmed fruit and veg is bad for the environment but there are alternatives.

I never said chicken causes cancer however processed and red meats do and medical advice is to reduce consumption.

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/ab...es-eating-processed-and-red-meat-cause-cancer

 

Do you eat meat?

 

Around here cows are known as slow elk. They tend to get shot accidentally by poor hunters with buck fever. "I thought it was an elk, really" lol

 

Yeah I know your views on this, " were all doomed, party on Wayne "

 

yep, sure do, mainly cow and fish, but I do eat other meats occasionally too

 

Good thing I was not addressing you then....aint it.

 

but it's a small percentage in the overall picture, don't believe all the false vegan propaganda

excessive sugar causes cancer - reduce fruit and other high carb foods and you will be better off imo

the same people that said saturate fat was bad for you and to quit eating eggs are telling you red meat is bad for you... they are wrong again, science is proving that

 

Finally you accept that it is possible to reduce herd sizes. Halellujah.

I prefer education on the consequences of meat production to reduce consumption over enforcement and accept that farmers may need incentives, ie compensation, to help them reduce herd sizes.
A better use of public resources than subsidies to compensate for Trump's insane tariffs ($12 billion so far).

 

I never said differently. What I said was that unless you did thin the herd, primarily by butchering, it would grow and produce even more methane gas.

You mean even more subsidies? Just what we need with budget problems.

 

I think the science backs that a meat based diet is good for our health and people should be educated about their diet

the sad thing is, our government has been pushing a high carb\low fat diet for the last 50 years and we are seeing how wrong that was now, it's a major part of rising health care costs

I am not pusing a high protein diet, we need moderate protein

much meat has been changed to be lean due to the low fat nonsense, which means you need to supplement with good fats if you eat lean meat, it's been called rabbit starvation, known for a long time

 

I'm not a vegan and don't read any of their ''propaganda''.
I put my faith in scientific research.
Whilst you are fully entitled to your opinion on the causes of cancer I prefer to take my advice from healthcare experts who are fairly unanimous about the dangers of too much red and processed meats.
The NHS for example recommends that you eat no more than 70 grams a day of red and processed meats to reduce your chances of getting bowel cancer.
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/red-meat-and-the-risk-of-bowel-cancer/

Sugar increases the chances of getting cancer by making you fat but is not of itself a cancer causing food.

https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/09/Facts-about-sugar-and-cancer.pdf