Questions for Biden supporters

Joe a mentally functional adult?

 

You sure are hung up on this asylum thing.

First off, virtually none of those people traveled all that distance to seek asylum. They did so to enter the US illegally, with crying "But, Asylum!!" as their backup plan if they get caught.

But let's discuss for a moment just what does (and does not) qualify for asylum.

And that's it.

You know what's NOT on that list? Seeking a "better life". Wanting a "better job", or any job at all for that matter. Fleeing from crime, or social unrest. Wanting your kids to grow up in the US, or for them to have better educational opportunities and future prospects. And a whole lot of other reasons, 99% of which are the primary motivators of people trying to illegally enter the country.

But a valid asylum claim must include actual experience of, or a realistic fear of, suffering persecution due to (only) the enumerated items listed above. Which is why so many are denied, and most people who want to cross the border illegally only play that card after getting caught, hoping it's a magic get-out-of-jail-free card. It's not. They know they don't qualify (or should know that, anyway), and as such are just hoping they'll not get caught. And sadly, most don't, (get caught, that is) so the odds are in their favor.

So maybe it's time you relax a bit with the whole asylum thing, as it covers such a small portion of would be illegal border crossers as to almost be completely irrelevant to the conversation of illegal immigration.

The first thing we need to do is make it so punitive on would be employers that they simply won't even consider hiring an illegal, even though it's cheaper, because the downside is just too large. It should be a mandatory felony conviction, with a mandatory minimum of one year in prison for any employer personnel who hire illegals, knew they were being hired, or should have known they were being hired. These minimums should not be subject to reduction via a plea agreement. Hire an illegal, or allow someone in your company to do so and it's a guaranteed felony record with a year in the big house no matter how much you beg for mercy or how clean your record was. That should be enough to dissuade most wanna be employers, but if it turns out it's not, make it more and more punitive until we find the line where it IS enough. This step alone would probably cut illegal immigration by 95%.

But I don't think you actually want to do that.

 

Yup, but it seems you ignore the point Where are these parents and why are they having to be searched for?

Also, on your point "Does that mean you agree that separating children from their parents is torture" in light of Golems recent link..

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Children seeking asylum face extortion, rape and murder before they even arrive at the U.S. border

Clearly this is a ongoing problem that all recent POTUS has had to deal with! The fact these terrible Parents would subject heir own children to this type of horror makes it's mandatory that they be taken from these people and relocated to foster care or remanded to welfare and CPS for their own safety..

It's no different then how American children are treated when their parents are charged with Child Endangerment.

Personally I think both you and Golem fail to see the real picture of the problem on the border and WHO and what country is torturing these children.. In fact once these children are removed from the abusive illegals parents, kidnapper or buyer and placed in to CPS custody the torture ends! I know many like yourselves would love to find these illusive parents and send these children back so they could once again make the perilous pilgrimage BACK thru the desert, subjected to near death from exposure, rape and abandonment only to be left with DSS, CPS, UNICEF and all the really mean people associated with the Horrible OBama's and Trumps rulers of the torturous United States

 

Can you dispute that Obama ordered the CDC to stop reporting the Norovirus deaths? Can you honestly claim you know for a fact that COVID is killing more than that plague did?

https://www.theblaze.com/news/obama-stopped-counting-h1n1-cases-testing

 

Has he addressed the idea that many of these kids are kidnap victims destined for sex trafficking?

 

No and not from lack of prodding from me But "Hope springs eternal"!

 

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2. Thanks for confirming it's YOU who fails (or refuses) to see (or trying to distort/evade) the real picture by inventing wholesale ASSumptions and applying it to ALL those who seek asylum in the US to use as pretext to torture these children.

The level of ignorance is astounding. You have no clue about CPS, just some fairy tale idea that many also share. Not only are you making wholesale assumptions without any supporting evidence about the parents of these particular children but do you have any idea what happens to many children (American and otherwise) after they're placed in the custody of CPS?

Did You Know?

Children are about ten times more likely to be abused in foster homes than in their natural family homes according to statistics gathered by the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System (NCANDS).

(and murdered)

https://wehavekids.com/family-relat...n-child-custody-child-protective-services-cps
https://www.justicewomen.com/tips_bewarechildprotectiveservices.html

Note none of the above assumes no parents abuse (or even murder) their own children. It is strictly about Child Protective Services.

 

Oh God, what nonsense!

You don't know what you're talking about. Many of these people can hardly read. Much less understand the laws of our country. They are escaping violence and persecution. It's what asylum seekers all over the world and throughout all history have done.

 

So your plan is exploiting people for cheap vegetables?

 

Really, so where is your selective outrage with American Children, is it doesn't meet election year agenda or propaganda campaign? We can go on all day but clearly you're not in tune with the entire picture and or abuse..

Child Welfare and Alcohol & Drug Use Statistics

Statistics About Foster Care

 

Then why doesn't the people of Mexico RISE UP, like we did to fight persecution, violence and tyranny, only there in their case, from the government backed drug cartels! I'm sure the U.S. would be more than willing to help Mexico out with a 25000 soldiers to help usher in a new era of law and order.. Otherwise the asylum bullshit will continue to have a gapping hole in it..

What Are Common Reasons for Denial of Asylum Claims From Mexico?

 

Now that is both oppressive and torture! Ever visited Socal in august...

 

Are you having a reading comprehension issue? Or you just do selective reading?

In any case, you now cite all these statistics that supports what I posted (to some extent) about CPS yet YOU posted this contradictory idiocy:

So which is it, do you defend the blatant torture of children and the fairy tale mentality of CPS or do you now understand that the US government (mostly Trump agenda) incorporates the torture of children as some kind of deterrent?

NOTE: The question is mostly rhetorical, I already know and don't really give a flying .... what you think.

 

What more do you want of Mexico? After all, they paid for the wall. All the 2000 miles that Trump built!

 

Ya pardon me, STATISTICS, I digress What was I thinking, right

 

Well there is one of the worse dodges I've seen from you!! Least your getting that part of debating down

 

Dodge? This is a thread about Biden, in which the poster I responded to went off-topic and shifted it to immigration. And you said... mumble mumble, something Mexico mumble Mexico mumble mumble something impossible to understand. Only thing I heard was "Mexico" so my answer was spot on appropriate.

 

I have rate sheets starting from 2007 up to today.

 

Really? And you are the one that made it about Trump torturing CHILDREN

Want me to get them all in case you need the mods to look this thread over

 

Great! I look forward to you linking them.

 

Yeah I couldn't figure that out either. You not only supported what I posted about CPS to a large extent but you also contradicted yourself in the process. I'm not sure you even understand the essence of those statistics (assuming they are even accurate). At the same time you argue in favor of torturing children as some kind of pretext in defense of Trump's agenda. Only you know what you're thinking but from my perspective it looks to me like a boot licking defense of Trump's human rights atrocities.

To be sure CPS may have tempered its extreme human rights violations over the last decade or so. They were much, much worse at the time I studied the issue. This is just one example in the state of Georgia but it is (or was) very typical in most states.

THE CORRUPT BUSINESS OF CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES

BY: Nancy Schaefer
Senator, 50th District

The Department of Child Protective Services, known as the Department of Family and Children Service (DFCS) in Georgia and other titles in other states, has become a “protected empire” built on taking children and separating families. This is not to say that there are not those children who do need to be removed from wretched situations and need protection. This report is concerned with the children and parents caught up in “legal kidnapping,” ineffective policies, and DFCS who does not remove a child or children when a child is enduring torment and abuse. (See Exhibit A and Exhibit B)

http://fightcps.com/report-of-georgia-senator-nancy-schaefer-on-cps-corruption/

Note: State Senator Nancy Schaefer and her husband may have been murdered because of her worldwide exposure of CPS' human rights atrocities.

https://medicalkidnap.com/2015/04/2...r-fight-against-cps-corruption-cost-her-life/

 

Are you suggesting that it would be a better policy to incarcerate the children with their in-custody parents?

 

Cheap shot not a real answer

 

Gee, I didn't hear Trump say that. I just heard him say he was gonna save them.
300 new steel workers, billions lost in increased cost and lost revenue from steel users.
Increased costs for buyers.
Yep. That's your boy, okay.

 

That's not our problem. Just as ignorance of the law is no excuse for me or you, the same is true for them. And we most assuredly DON'T NEED a bunch of illiterate persons who can't even bother finding someone to help them navigate our laws before they themselves try navigating our deserts migrating here. We've got enough of our own problems to deal with before trying to tackle those of the rest of the world.

Did you not read my prior post? Escaping violence is not a valid reason for an asylum claim. And escaping persecution only counts if it's in one of the following situations: (Which I already explained, but apparently you couldn't be bothered or understand it.)

• Race
• Religion
• Nationality
• Membership in a particular social group
• Political opinion

And again, I apologize for repeating myself, but apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, so it's necessary that I do so. Those are the only valid reasons for which an asylum request will be granted. Not only that, but they must demonstrate that they PERSONALLY experienced such persecution, or have good reason to believe they will if not granted asylum.

Not to escape violence.

Not to escape cartels or other organized crime.

Not to escape government corruption.

Not to get a better job. Or a better education. Or to escape poverty or hunger. Those 5 reasons, and those 5 reasons ALONE are the only qualifying conditions. And I'm quite certain that there are groups that want to encourage people to move to the US that know the laws and speak the languages necessary to convey the information to would be desert crossers. And that likely includes the US Government itself. Especially groups who favor open borders, and doubly especially for those who want US borders specifically to be open.

But the truth is, people who qualify for and are granted asylum are SO rare, they really don't belong in a discussion about the bigger picture of what to do about illegal immigration. It's just not enough people to have any real influence on the underlying issue.

I've said it before, and I'll probably have to say it again, but we simply MUST get control of our borders, and crack down on illegal immigration in general, regardless of if they arrived on foot over the desert, via an airliner and overstayed their visa, or any other method for that matter.

But I don't think you want that to happen. Why not just man up and say so?