“Republicans don’t care how many Americans are killed by guns”

Registration will reduce the number of black market guns and reduce gun deaths. For the mass / spree killers laws addressing mental health would prevent the mentally ill from getting guns.

 

Voters are already registered, why can’t we do this with gun owners?

 

And back to the original statement from a few pages back. Existing guns wouldn't be on that 'register'. Registering a gun does nothing if it is stolen, has the serial number removed or is never found. All it does is point to the original purchaser, who, likely having completed a background check at the time of purchase, came up clean.

Why inflict do-nothing additional laws, when the original laws have proven themselves to be pointless?

Mental health is a very slippery slope. Or, as the saying goes, sanity is subjective.

 

When the "facts" being stated are so general and/or hyperbolic as to be meaningless ("a gun registration of new purchases will have gaping holes the size of this country" is not a fact, it's histrionics), they are just excuses.

I don't like the word "solution" specifically because it leads to the type of thinking you're exhibiting. Solution implies some absolute goal that can be achieved. Mitigation is a better term. We're trying to reduce violent crime by restricting ciminal access to guns. By the way, the violent crime rate in the UK is dramatically lower than it is in the US. It's less than 25% of what it is here. I'm not saying their gun restrictions are the sole reason for that, but you may want to pick a different country to compare us to if you want to make a point.

The existing laws are incomplete and inconsistent. That's why folks like me are advocating for a federal-level regulation that is clearer and more thorough. I don't want to see the second amendment dismantled. I want to see regulations around gun purchasing and ownership, just like we have regulations around the rights enumerated in other amendments.

I agree, if it wasn't guns, it would be something else. But guns are by far the most effective portable killing tools that exist. It's common sense that we should do what we can to keep them out of the hands of those who want to commit crimes with them.

 

Oh yeah. The conversation would only make sense in context of gang violence. The worst mass shooting was a black dude with handgun that killed a 2, 3, 5, 6, and 9 year old in Indianapolis, but it doesn't fit with the narrative. They got to wait for their oppurtunity.

 

Gun Free Zones are Killing Zones

The DP politicians, and some RP pols, clearly support mass shootings and criminal violence generally.
They must feel that it is politically expedient for them to do so.

 

My take.

Many Republicans indeed don't care about gun violence just as many pro-lifers don't actually care about life. But there's not much they could do to stop it even if they did. Caring about an issue does not mean it can be fixed.

For all the caring that the left does about gun violence, they too are pretty much powerless to stop it. Banning guns won't do it. Yeah you might stop a couple shootings that would have otherwise occurred, but what happens to all the new crimes that happen when criminals who don't care about gun laws now know the vast majority of folks won't have a gun to defend themselves with. They will become even more brazen than they currently are.

 

Gun control laws empower killers and other criminals.

 

What I have stated is facts. Simple and straight forward. Current laws are not effective. Period. I've said it multiple times and yet it's referred to as an 'excuse'. What is in correct in my statement? Nothing. Attempting registration of new guns WILL have huge, gaping holes. Nothing histrionic about it.

Penalizing law abiding citizens to maybe keep guns away from some criminals, is highly unlikely since the existing guns already on the street are more than enough to do some serious damage. Once a background check is complete, and a purchase made, and by your ideas registered, what about 20 years down the road? Are we going to go for the renew the background check annually? How about in between the annual? How far into a law abiding, private citizens life do you feel the government has a right to go?

There are more clear and present dangers than guns in this country. Loss of life by others hands is something that would be best left at zero, but picking one means is not going to fix the problem.

Since you seem to have a penchant for calling anything you don't agree with an 'excuse', there is no point in trying to even continue the discussion.

 

And which, I believe, comprise a huge majority of firearm deaths, save suicide. While shootings like Atlanta and Boulter are horrific the actual numbers of deaths by long gun is tiny. Find a way to control gangs and other criminals would be far more effective than reducing the freedoms on honest citizens.

 

Can you understand why the reverse of that will be true if we start making popular types of firearms illegal? There isn't currently a lot of demand for illegal firearms trade in the US. But that will change if we make popular types of firearms illegal...

 

They arent produced on a large scale in the US because its cheaper to produce them on a large scale legally. The laws being proposed will only mean the more expensive illegal mass manufacturing will suddenly become profitable.

And if you ban 80% receivers, folks will sell 70% receivers. If you ban milling machines, folks will buy 3D printers. How many common tools and simple shapes of scrap metal are you prepared to ban to keep people from making guns? And how much money are you prepared to spend upkeeping the tracking and enforcement of these restrictions on common, simple goods? You obviously don't know much about DIY machining and manufacturing... but its not particularly difficult, and many other people are both adept and equipped for it.

 

Leftists telling everyone how Republicans think. Only a total idiot would take a Leftists word for how others think.

 

Plain and simple, stating what could happen is not a fact. Using hyperbolic language is not factual. It's merely a colorful prediction without any underlying specifics. I interpret that as an excuse because it just looks like an oration trick, rather than a genuine point.

Registration would help stem the flow of illegal guns onto the streets. That's the point. Ideally, we'd eventually get to a point where the the number of guns confiscated from criminals outpaces the rate that guns are getting into their hands.

And I don't see how a background check and registration is a penalty to a law abiding citizen. Is it a penalty to car owners that they have to register their vehicles?

This is actually a good question. Seems like it would be worth starting a thread about. In the mean time, just preventing some folks from getting guns in the first place is reason enough to implement the background checks and registrations.

Like I said, it's not about fixing, it's about mitigating. There is no single solution, but reducing the number of guns in the hands of criminals is one way to mitigate.

If you want to give up, I can't stop you. Have a good rest of your day, I guess!

 

I would need to see some data supporting that. That just sounds like making a popular strain of weed illegal, or like when Four Loco was forced to change their drink. Maybe there would be an initial spike in black market versions of those guns, but I don't know if I believe a significant black market for them would persist.

Regardless, I don't even know if I support the idea of making certain guns illegal. I'd prefer just universal background checks and registration for now.

 

“Republicans don’t care how many Americans are killed by guns”
And other lies told by the left in their effort to prey upon the emotions of the ignorant..

 

Congrats, you just outed yourself as either having no reading comprehension or being guilty of not reading the entire thread and knee jerking . I made it clear in another post that I believe the 'weak links' are the violently mentally ill who I am being compelled to give up my guns to accommodate.

 

Registration and universal background checks will do nothing to prevent the illegal sale of firearms - because criminals cannot be forced to register their guns and will not conduct background checks on one another.
These restrictions affect only the law abiding - as intended.

 

This is already done through he background check process.

 

Criminals are not affected by laws that (supposedly) block access to the black market.
Ask your average drug dealer.

 

You cannot demonstrate this to be true.

 

I attached a picture of the types of individuals that are impacted by the desire to have larping props for the incel marches.

Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

 

It’s true though. No tragedy of any size or victim makes many of you go “hmm, maybe we need to look at making some adjustments”. Instead y’all scream “I don't care, it's not my problem” while whining about your ‘rights’.

 

The Sandy Hook killer killed his mom and removed her guns from the safe she had them in, then shot up a school. What are you going to do to this parent?

 

I'm not a Republican, so I can not answer for them. However, the Republicans I know do not think that way.....nor do the Democrats I know want to make all guns illegal as some people claim. Their false claim is based on refusing to really listening to the other side of the argument just like you are doing.

Yes, people get killed and that is sad. However, death is part of life and it can not be avoided. There were about 40,000 Americans killed by vehicular accidents last year as well, but you do not hear anybody calling for the ban of vehicles or a specific type of vehicle. We are not even required to obtain a licence or register a vehicle unless it is driven on a public street. However, cars are not protected by the 2nd Amendment as guns are.

The Republicans I know have no issue with sensible gun laws. However, nothing the Democrats present are really sensible. The seem to want to punish law abiding citizens in order to protect people from a few.....and in some cases, they want to suspend Due Process to achieve their goals. And anybody that thinks politicians would not make any law passed much more restrictive in the future is a total bloody fool. Blanket laws to treat the symptoms seldom work well.