Kinzinger Introduces Use of Force Resolution against Russia

fine with that, if Putin use nukes, every country should nuke Russia, that is the deterrent

 

I think you are confusing the cause of my concern about the situation in Eastern Europe. It’s not “loyalty to the motherland”, it’s “being concerned for my American children’s future”.

 

And here is some news from the war front:​

Russia has now launched the largest airstrikes throughout Ukraine since the start of the war. When one considers that they have destroyed 3000 military installations, that's saying quite a bit. Civil defense alarms have been going on all over Ukraine and the attacks on the military installations are coming not only from the air force but from cruise missiles in the Black Sea as well. ​

According to the latest information, Russia hit six railway stations in central and western Ukraine which are used for transporting Ukrainian military aid from the west to the eastern front of the Donbass. According to the Mayor of Lviv, 3 electric substations were hit, and two pumping stations are now without "electricity".​

"We are restoring the water supply through alternative sources of electricity," the Ukrainian mayor said.​

"Six railway stations in Central and Western Ukraine were hit by Russian missiles today," said the head of the board of state railways Ukrzaliznytsia, Oleksandr Kamyshyn. "14 trains are delayed. The damage to the infrastructure is significant," he stressed.​

In this second wave of attacks, the most significant are the bombings along the border of Slovakia and Romania in the mountains of Transcarpathia. Eyewitnesses say Russian missiles hit the railway substation in Volovets.​

"The windows broke within a radius of 500 meters, the cars were damaged," residents of the area said.​

This is the most southwestern region and is bordered by Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania and it's being targeted for the first time. It is also a sign that any military infrastructure in Ukraine might be targeted at any time by Russia.​

With the constant bombardments in Odessa and Hypercarpathia, it appears that the Russians might be starting an operation in Transnistria and want to send a clear message to Romania, Slovakia and Poland not to get involved. The 3 countries have been moving troops recently near Moldova.​

 

'Think for himself' is demonstrated by just believing the same stuff as almost everyone else believes?

He's a politician so he has to go with what everyone else is saying.

 

I guess if a politician did think for himself he would soon be on his own.

 

No. With respect, according to the standards in your links, we should have been extinct - many times over - before the Cuban Missile Crisis just from testing. We obviously are still here. All 7.8 billion of us.

 

Aboveground tests are mainly done in the atmosphere, not on the ground. As long as you don't have dust from the ground being pulled into the fireball and then made radioactive by the Neutron Flash you'll have comparatively little of it "fall out" of the atmosphere or form a radioactive cloud of very fine dust that stays up for years and poisons the whole world as it drifts about.

You should refer to Nevil Shute's On the Beach which isn't just a device for a story but was once thought to be the main way in which radioactive "fall out" was thought to be dangerous. That was fairly well researched for a novel and it based itself on an atomic war without ICBMs and with only a few hundred (less than a 1000) bombs worldwide.

There is this tendency to minimize the dangers of atomic war even as it's effectiveness grows ever larger. We simply do not know what such a war would do to the world and we must never find out Think of the whole world turned into Chernobyl.

 

"Every country". So all our nuclear capable allies are in on this? UK and France?

 

Inappropriate humor.

 

U.S. international relations and strategy have been so incoherent for so long under so many administrations that there is little hope for change at this time. In a way, that has kept the most serious enemies off balance, but the resolute, long term thinkers do exist. The present situation of having a devious, self-serving duopoly running Washington does not serve the interests of the people, but as the people are intellectually lazy and inept, corrupt power brokers will remain at the helm. This makes everyone easy game for those who hold even more solid control of a nation and an economy, such as the C.C.P. or Putin.

 

What if we let the European union handle this and gave them the money for military and humanitarian assistance for Ukraine?

We do this under the agreement that we will match every dollar they give. Why is this always our responsibility?

 

Here is a list of countries with nuclear weapons. 7 not counting ourselves and Russia. Excuse me Russia!

Which of those 7 other countries will be nuking Russia other than us? Pakistan? India? China? Yeah right.

USA
Russia
France
China
India
Pakistan
North Korea
Israel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons

 

Wrong about rebuilding. Look how Grozny was rebuilt. Lots of investments in Crimea with built several electric stations, irrigation systems, roads. Ukraine did not care to invest money in Crimea's infrastructure.

 

I was trying to explain..

We committed ourselves a while back, the difference is that we've upped what we are giving to Ukraine.

 

No UK ?

 

Oops. And the UK.

 

Damn.

I never thought I'd say this about anything you said but THAT'S a good idea.

 

There is a difference between confusion over the argument someone is making and your situation, in which I have no idea what you are trying to say or if you are even making an argument. If you are, are you agreeing with me? Disagreeing? Something else?

 

Risking nuclear war when nothing for America is at stake is a weird way to be concerned for your American children's future.

 

In what way did we commit ourselves?

 

so if Russia uses nukes, we should do nothing?

 

Yeah sure....just like LDPR was rebuilt in 8 yrs...while Mafialand was bombing and robbing it? South Ossetia,Arkadia.

Lots investments in Krym?....wow,that's why beaches half empty? And FSB agents trying to sell their illegally occupied pads?

Irrigation?....you don't say....that's why kolorad orcs trying to open up reservoirs in Ukraine for water?

Face it ...wherever Mafialand involved it's grinding poverty.

 

Zoom, LDPR was bombed by Kiev. That is why most of the people there now do not want to be part of Ukraine. Who told you the beaches are empty in Crimea? I was there in 2014 after annexion, near Yalta. Lots of people. I think you are unaware about the situation there. As far as Abhazia is concerned, it is not in Russia, therefore your comment is irrelevant.

 

If Article 5 is invoked, France and Great Britain, to the tune of about 200 warheads each.

 

Russia would say the US has forced an 'Article 5' response. You may want WWIII for some god awful reason but I'm heading for my shelter.