Derek Chauvin Appeals Murder Conviction, Claims Protesters Intimidated Jury

That is not what homicide means. When the box for "homicide" is checked in the autopsy report, it means the death was not of natural causes and that the death was intentional based on the finding of the coroner. That finding was cardiopulmonary arrest due to neck restraint with complications of drug and heart disease as minor contributing factors. That is literally what the coroner said in his autopsy report. It was confirmed by the ME whom she testified and basically gave no room for maneuver by the defense.

 

How long did the cops hold you down on the ground?

 

What, I do see it as a homicide. He killed Floyd, I've never said anything different.

 

HAHAHA, you do understand that the ME's office making a claim of "homicide" is not like the term used when a judge uses the term as a part of judgment, yes? If that were true you'd have two different sources of conflicting legal opinions. The ME's office makes no assessment on guilty parties.

 

Well, during training it's pretty much up to the instructor. If your training buddy, the guy doing the technique to you is an idiot, you could be there for a very long time!

 

i wonder why this reminds me of amber hearts case ^^

 

He has plea bargained to the charges and now he filing for a new trial and everything will hinge on that.

 

Lol!
I was joking with you. It's Friday and I'm in a good mood!
On a serious note, I've literally witnessed cops abusing their authority. I've never been a cop, but I can understand how easy it would be, especially if one is mentally or emotionally stressed. And we all have bad days at work. I think that more training would help. Some of my friends in law enforcement also think so, but they admittedly don't like having to do training too often, would rather just do the job.
It's a tough job, and the margin for error is small, with some grave consequences for failure.
I'm glad there are still people who want to have careers in law enforcement, but sometimes I worry that we won't have enough people who want to do the job.

 

Chauvin was NOT the arresting officers the other two were and first on the scene. The store owner identified Floyd and said he was on something. Floyd was giving indications he was high and had been seen trying to destroy drug evidence. They were polite all along it was Floyd who got physical and tried to resist arrest. They had all the probable cause they need to take him to the police station to be processed. All Floyd had to do was cooperate, stop exerting himself resisting the officers who were lawfully taking him into custody and wait for the arriving any second ambulance but he was probably a dead man anyway because of his existing health issues and the ingestion of a lethal does of drugs.

 

Drawing their attention from the arrest they were trying to make. Do you have anything but juvenile snarky remarks?

 

That is complete BS and you know it Buri.

This is from the Medical Examiner's and Cororner's Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting, page 21:

"Homicide—‘‘occurs when death results from...’’ an injury or poisoning or from ‘‘...a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death. Intent to cause death is a common element but is not required for classification as a homicide.’’

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/misc/hb_me.pdf

From the Snohomish County Medical Examiner's Office website:

"
Homicide is defined as the action of one person directly causing the death of another. A death that occurs during and is related to the commission of a felony is also considered homicide. A violent death may stem from some kind of deliberate or purposeful action, but intent to cause death need not be present or proven for the classification as homicide.

Homicide and murder are not the same. All murders are homicides, not all homicides are murder. "Murder" is not an acceptable manner of death classification for death certification purposes. "Murder" is a term used under specific conditions in criminal law matters as as a general concept. An example might be that of unintentional firearms-related hunting death. While it may be classified as a homicide, it is up to legal authorities to determine when to prosecute such a case as "murder," "manslaughter," etc."

https://snohomishcountywa.gov/806/Cause-Manner-of-Death

Both of these links, and the official designation of what homicide actually means prove you wrong beyond reproach in what homicide actually means.

The medical examiner/coroner's cause of death is the first, and yet, most important step of any homicide investigation. The police, the homicide detectives specifically, will then investigate the who, what, where, and to what extent of the homicide and try to make an arrest through evidence gathering.

Furthermore, I never, nor anyone else in this thread, said the coroner or medical examiner made any assessment on who is guilty. They make the assessment on the manner of death. You seem to be obfuscating the two concepts here.

 

He was the arresting officer and he was the senior officer on the scene. He was also the first officer, along with his training partner, to arrive and talk to the shop owner. If was the shop owner who identified George Floyd and his vehicle to George Floyd. that was all on body cam Blues.

you are not going to win this argument no matter how hard you try here.

 

It is when you are carrying out a lawful arrest and restraining someone.

Look at the physical size difference in this case.
Look at how the suspect was behaving.

Maybe you imagine he should have used his telekinetic powers to make make Floyd float in the air and go back inside the car?

When physical force is not working, it's common for officers to resort to harsher measures.

You still don't seem to want to see that the officers were having difficultly controlling the movement of the suspect due to his size and strength.

What if he had started trying to make his way into the street with traffic going by?

Couldn't that have put the officer's lives in danger?

Do you think they should have used a stun gun or a tranquilizer? Either of those could also easily have killed him, in his condition.

 

I believe there should be a retrial, just based on that one fact.

No one should believe drugs had nothing to do with his death.

If the jury was told this, they were lied to.

Fact is, there is simply no way to know for absolute certain, but it is totally 100% reasonable to assume the drugs were a very probable factor in his death. That there would not have been a death if there were not drugs in his system.

The fentanyl is a respiratory depressant, and the cocktail of drugs probably contributed to his excited delirium that contributed towards causing the heart attack. Those drug-induced emotions and his physical struggling created increased oxygen demand at a time when his body could least sustain it.

If a man Chauvin's size had that level of drugs in his system, he would probably be dead.

 

He was trying to make sure Floyd would not be going anywhere. If Floyd had managed to get up and started moving into traffic it would have placed officers in danger. They could not easily control him. They might not have been able to prevent him moving into traffic.

He was on drugs and acting irrationally.

You might argue he was in handcuffs but this guy was 223 pounds of muscle, bigger than any of the officers, and they had already struggled and exhausted themselves getting the suspect into the car in the first place. A suspect who is high on drugs can also have enhanced strength and be impervious to pain.

We do not know that it took the suspect 10 minutes to die. It might have only been 1 or 2.

 

Hard to take you serious when you LIE. His neck was not knelt on for 9 minutes. He shifted his weight from back to shoulders, ect. And who was angry? The ONLY one not in his right mind was Floyd. He chose to be on the ground. He chose to be arrested. He chose to resist. He chose to take enough drugs to kill multiple people. He chose to break the law over and over again. His actions increased his chances of death 100 fold.

If a human can’t control his drug problem, listen to simple Instructions or fight with cops, he isn’t a life worth saving.

 

I will agree 100% that guys need a ton more training! We expect them to do everything perfect in an imperfect world. It's a poorly paying job where even your superiors don't give a **** about you. I left after I asked for body armor and was told if I thought my job was dangerous I should buy my own! My dog and I were hitting doors on meth houses and gang hangouts, we got shot at regularly and we lost officers several times a year. Ever look back at something and you're glad you gave it the finger and walked away?

It's like that. Stay in a good mood, dude!

 

NO. YOU are. I've been explaining over and over that the ME's office does not assign guilt, just that another person was involved in the death. The judge in the case decides if there is blame to be had, as in homicide = murder; from YOUR link "but intent to cause death need not be present or proven for the classification as homicide." This revolves around intent to cause death, which for some reasons is escaping you until you looked it up.

 

He was the SENIOR officer the other two officers arrived first and interviewed the ship owner and approached the vehicle. They already have PC to arrest him and then witnessed him trying to ingest and hide something which turned out to be drugs. YES I am the one who told you it was the shop owner who gave the officers the billed and ID's Floyd as the person who had tried to pass. The witness in the car confirmed that is why he went into the store and he came out with the merchandise and the storeowner came out yelling at him. He ingested more drugs and the people in his car were begging him to leave but he kept passing out in the car. That was the condition the arriving officers found him. You go to jail at that point PERIOD.

You are not going to win this argument no matter how hard you try here.


Time line of events


In a call to 911, made at 20:01, the employee told the operator he had demanded the cigarettes back but "he [Floyd] doesn't want to do that", according to a transcript released by authorities.

The employee said the man appeared "drunk" and "not in control of himself", the transcript says.

Shortly after the call, at around 20:08, two police officers arrived. Mr Floyd was sitting with two other people in a car parked around the corner.

After approaching the car, one of the officers, Thomas Lane, pulled out his gun and ordered Mr Floyd to show his hands. In an account of the incident, prosecutors do not explain why Mr Lane thought it necessary to draw his gun.

Mr Lane, prosecutors said, "put his hands on Mr Floyd, and pulled him out of the car". Then Mr Floyd "actively resisted being handcuffed".

Once handcuffed, though, Mr Floyd became compliant while Mr Lane explained he was being arrested for "passing counterfeit currency".


Court transcripts from police body cameras show Mr Floyd appears co-operative at the beginning of the arrest, repeatedly apologising to the officers after they approach his parked car.

Mr Lane asks Mr Floyd to show his hands at least 10 times before ordering him to get out of the vehicle.

It was when officers tried to put Mr Floyd in their squad car that a struggle ensued.

At about 20:14, Mr Floyd "stiffened up, fell to the ground, and told the officers he was claustrophobic", according to the report.

Mr Chauvin arrived at the scene. He and other officers were involved in a further attempt to put Mr Floyd in the police car.

During this attempt, at 20:19, Mr Chauvin pulled Mr Floyd away from the passenger side, causing him to fall to the ground, the report said.

He lay there, face down, still in handcuffs."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52861726

See when officer Chauvin arrived, see what had already taken place. You know for someone who routinely tells others they don't know anything about what they are talking you sure show how much you don't regularly.

 

Not to ridiculous statements like the people standing nearby were interfering.

 

Funny, since you are never to be taken serious.
So he didn't kill him because of anger? Why did he kill him then?

 

he pled guilty and confessed at the federal level, no point in an appeal at State level now

 

You’ve never had a coherent argument in years. Chauvin didn’t know he killed him. Where is this anger you’re inventing? Thought he killed him due to racism? Whoops. That theory got tossed on its ass in court.

Why did Floyd down all those drugs when he got arrested? Why did he try to toss the rest? Why did he lie about not being able to breath? Why did he lie about being claustrophobic? Why did he resist arrest? Because he was a drugged out loser who puts everyone’s life in danger around him. L thsts why high drug users do. They LIE. And they thieve. And they make cops lives hellish. He was a leech on society and provided no value.

 

He only "confessed" to get better prison conditions, since federal is better than state.

Only the stupid believe pleading guilty means you are guilty.

 

You are thinking in terms of black & white mentality.

Isn't it possible this could be a "murder" but a very light form of murder, where the perpetrator only deserves to be punished with a year and a half, or something like that?

Floyd is to BLAME.

Most of this is his fault.

He had it coming to him.

The officer's actions were not totally unreasonable, given the situation, even if it might have technically been a mistake.