Derek Chauvin Appeals Murder Conviction, Claims Protesters Intimidated Jury

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Interfering with an officer performing their duty?
     
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    Even if true, the question is how warranted and justified was the use of that restraint technique in that situation, and, even if it was not fully justified and was a mistake, was it an easy mistake to make and at least partially justified?
     
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    They were not able to easily control him. This was a big man with a muscular build.
    Who was on drugs and acting hysterically.

    We don't know that he wouldn't be dead if the officer had only kneeled on him for 2 minutes.
     
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    you're free to prove your case.
     
  5. notme

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    Chauvin's supervisor said it wasn't warranted/justified and called it murder.
     
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  6. notme

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    he was unarmed and handcuffed when Chauvin murdered him. Took him almost 10 minutes. But he did it thanks to his 3 henchmen.
     
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    you linked this:
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...george-floyd-s-death-homicide-blames-n1263670
    Medical examiner who ruled George Floyd's death a homicide blames police pressure for his death

    And you twist this into "played apart"... while it specifically says "blames".
    You're just dishonest about it.
     
  8. dairyair

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    The biggest action in the death of Floyd, is the one who knelt on the neck for 9 minutes.

    If a cop can't control his anger and kills someone, he is still a murderer. No matter the core reason. A cop is NOT, JUDGE, JURY, AND EXECUTIONER. That's why we have this whole judicial system.

    Be a professional, or get out of the job.
     
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    By standing nearby? LOL, that's a f'n joke.

    Do you have a grown up reason?
     
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    Killing another human being by kneeling on their neck is NOT a MISTAKE.

    And now you can watch a 9 minute video of neck kneeling and ask, EVEN IF TRUE, is mind boggling.
     
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    Because, if you actually read even the 1st PARAGRAPH, it says:

    "The medical examiner who ruled George Floyd's death a homicide testified Friday that Floyd's heart disease and drug use contributed to his death, but police officers' restraint of his body and compression of his neck were the primary causes.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...george-floyd-s-death-homicide-blames-n1263670

    So, you're being dishonest because you refuse to read beyond the HEADLINE.

    So, 3 factors played into his death, from that 1 paragraph. 1 of them being primary.
    So yes, the neck kneeling played a role.
     
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    The official coroner's report listed the cause of death as "homicide." And the Coroner explained why he came up with that conclusion to begin with.

    I have done the reading, the trial transcripts, etc. Nothing the coroner said on the stand, even in cross, was that this was nothing but a homicide. And the jury believed him more than the defense expert witnesses.
     
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    Floyd did have drugs on him but not enough to kill him according to the Medical Examiner and the State's expert drug witness with that nice little chart he put up. It was less than11 nanograms per liter in his system according to the toxicology report. And that is NOT enough to kill anyone. Why is that? Because his body has built up a tolerance for the drug over the years. In a similar fashion, if your parathyroid hormone is 172 nanograms per liter, you might conclude you have hyper parathyroidism if you have two perfectly working kidneys, little to no other serious health issues, etc. However, if you have a serioius medical issue, such as ESRD, then that number is "normal."

    https://www.kare11.com/article/news...-body/89-70cf8552-1810-4462-a726-077b897e7378
     
  14. FatBack

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    When will idiots figure out you cannot win a pissing match with a cop?
     
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    he already confessed at fed level, it's over
     
  16. FreshAir

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    when will bad cops like this one learn that they are supposed to be the good guys?
     
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  17. FatBack

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    There's a simple fact of the matter here regardless of how we feel about this cop's actions..

    If George Floyd would have avoided passing counterfeit money this never would have happened. Or at the very least he could have not resisted arrest and went to jail and took his medicine like a grown man he would still be alive
     
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    That and I don't get how Chauvin was still on the force after 18 complaints filed against him.
     
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    Either they were found to be without merit or the department didn't do a damn thing about it probably the former
     
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    Floyd paid for his mistake with his life

    the cop paid for his mistake with many years in prison
     
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    Again, the smart thing for Chauvin to do would have been to lock him in the back seat of the patrol car and wait for the ambulance crew to deal with him, or, to just let him go free back into the rat's nest he came from in the first place.... How does it benefit a slag-hole like Minne-EHH-polis to arrest a Black thug when there are always a dozen more to take his place? No! Just let them go!
     
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    The headline is correct. You're down talking what is a primary cause as if it doesn't matter. What matters is this "The medical examiner who ruled George Floyd's death a homicide". And the cop is the primary cause of that homicide. And so he is to blame and so he is send to jail over the murder.

    Please comply with the expert witness and see it as a homicide.
     
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    The coroners' term "homicide" is a finding that more than one person was involved in the death. When a judge uses the term it allies guilt to a party.
    You're aware of how these terms are applied differently according to the law, yes? It looks like you aren't aware.
     
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    Stop. You clearly don't understand any of the terms you're using and it's both hilarious and sad. Read a book.
     
  25. Alwayssa

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    You have to look at the reason why the police were called to that location in the first place. It was not because Floyd was distributing/loitering out in front of the store trying to sell Oxy pills or Fentynol pills. It was because Floyd bought something, and gave a $20 bill to the cashier, that bill became questionable, and the police were called. Chauvin should have followed the procedure based on the initial call to the police first. Instead, from the body cam video, Chauvin immediately went to the "drug" option and it went downhill from there. If I was there, I would have told Floyd to step out of the car, politely at first, to put his hands on the front hood of the car where I can see them, ask him to then turn around, and begin to ask questions about what he was buying at the store and how he paid for it, does he have a receipt, etc. All of that needs to be established for "larceny" to obtain probable cause. Once I got my information, then I would arrest him on PC, then I would have gotten a pat-down where I would have found the drugs and begin to ask him questions and then determine if enough PC is available to arrest him on a drug charge as well. If done the correct way, there is little chance that restraint would have been needed in a way Chauvin did. I think Chauvin had set in his mind, I am going to arrest this person no matter what and he used shortcuts and being overtly aggressive when he does not need to be in that specific situation.
     

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