He Should Be In Politics Again.

That is your opinion. And seeing that you have still unable to present a single shred of evidence backing up anything you are claiming.

Some of us require more than blind faith for what we believe. You should try it sometimes.

 

I am agnostic, thankfully the grooming I received as a child to indoctrinate me into a religion that demands no thought failed. I see it was successful with you. Pity

 

Yes, but that there is no established religion or official religion in government, and that government cannot interfere with the practices of religious practices, even if it means animal sacrifices.

 

Yeah, uh-huh, but -- what's actually written in the CONSTITUTION? Everything else is 'opinion', and as we all know, "Opinions are like buttholes -- everybody's got one!"

. "Nope! I don't see the Constitution in here anywhere!"

 

Jesus Christ seemed to be much more interested in people than in politics... that seems clear in accounts of his healing people as different as the blind beggar, Bartimaeus (at Jericho), and the personal servant of a Roman Centurion at Capernaum.

At one point, according to the Bible, Jesus Christ foretold the destruction of Jerusalem by the same Roman Empire, but, even after his ascension, he did not stop Rome from doing exactly that several decades later. Sure enough, Roman Emperor Vespasian sent his son, Titus, to Jerusalem and in the year 70 A.D., Jerusalem was thoroughly destroyed, according to the well-respected witness, Flavius Josephus, a first-century Roman-Jewish historian, who chronicled the entire event.

 

We were discussing what Jefferson said — not the constitution.

If one is not capable of following a simple conversation it is best to not embarrass oneself to interject with such irrelevance.

I guess you are not a constitutional originalist then by your off topic remarks? The constitution does however say “no law respecting an establishment of religion” — that also indicates a separation of church or state if the law can not respect religious establishment.

Maybe you cannot see the words written in the constitution if your cartoon is indicative of yourself.

 

Actually, what was actually being discussed in between drifting fog-banks in this thread was the whole "separation of church and state" meme -- in which the thing of any commanding importance is what's written in the Constitution.

I can have an "opinion", you can have an "opinion", and Thomas Jefferson can have an "opinion"... each of which surely has validity in the minds of each of us... but the only thing of importance to the entire United States is what's written in the Constitution!

 

Funny thing, and sick thing, and hypocritical thing is, Democrat Politicians constantly make deals under the table and sell out, and get contributions for their campaigns from countries, and organizations that you're talking about on a regular basis. The same organizations and Countries that are completely against, what the Democrat Politicians supposedly stand for, and preach to all American about.

 

And?

 

I'm also agnostic and I see no agnosticism in your writings. You appear to be quite definite there isn't a higher creator being, for example.

 

Exactly. There was no established (state) religion. Let me ask you a question: If you have no favorite team in a sport, for example, does that mean you don't like the sport? The answer is No. If you don't have a favorite sports team that doesn't mean you don't like the sport.

 

And I quoted what is written in the constitution.

What was being discussed in the specific conversation you decided to interject with memes was about the opinion of Jefferson.

If you don’t want to contribute then feel free to participate in other conversations.

 

Don’t care — still waiting on some direct quotes from Jefferson that show he wanted religion intertwined with government — or you can just admit you were misinformed.

 

"Separation of Church and State" is in the Constitution? Where? All I see is that te federal government cannot establish a state religion. Can you tell me where the Constitution mentions "separation of Church and State"?

 

Those atheists will do and say anything to prevent religion in gov't. Oh, and atheists aren't for democracy, either.

 

It actually said “no law respecting an establishment of religion”



In the context of the amendment and the written words of the founders we can absolutely see that they meant they intended to build a wall of separation between church and state.

No law can respect the authority of religion

I know this is upsetting to many of those that want to be able to force their brand of christofascism on an unwilling nation.

 

Trump made a deal with the Taliban, got nothing back and gave then 5000 of their prisoners of war back

 

That's because way too many people like to use their religion as something to lean on when they want a flimsy excuse to do or not do something, and also as a crutch when they caught doing something they shouldn't. Look, if you're religious on your own then that's fine, but don't make the mistake of thinking the rest of us need to be like you and should care for your beliefs or that they're the way of the world, because it's not. As I said earlier, we're not nor ever were a theocracy. Go somewhere else with that.

 

Okay sir, it appears I got my info wrong, it's technically not in the Constitution. However, Thomas Jefferson did directly mention it in the Danbury Baptist letters, and he was clearly talking about it in regards to the Establishment Clause.

 

Ahh so now you are reading Jefferson's mind and can tell "clearly" what he was talking about. In any case, the Constitution is the LAW... and its not there.

 

Actually no, I was reading Jefferson's letter that he actually wrote:

 

Confusing! In your Post #132, you wrote (my emphasis), "We were discussing what Jefferson said — not the constitution.
If one is not capable of following a simple conversation it is best to not embarrass oneself to interject with such irrelevance."

Which is it? Do you want to propose that we use the actual wording of the First Amendment of the Constitution to analyze the bedrock understanding of 'religion, and, government' in the United States, or, various, sundry comments penned by Thomas Jefferson that are NOT included in the body of the Constitution...?

If you want to pursue a line of thought that includes fhe "separation of church and state" meme, then you are certainly free to express all manner of opinions about that, but at least remember that that phrase is not (NOT) to be found in the wording of the First Amendment, which, for purposes of ready reference, reads thus:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It's ALL about protecting citizens of the United States from another "King Henry VIII" kind of tyrant... you know... the guy who forced the "Church of England" on his subjects after he 'ESTABLISHED' it !

OK, Jefferson wrote a lot of cool stuff, that's not in the Constitution... and here's some reading material you may enjoy: https://www.monticello.org/research...yclopedia/virginia-statute-religious-freedom/

. "Get thy ass to church -- or else!"

 

What is written in the US Constitution is three examples. First and foremost is no religious test in Article VI for any person who holds office. This would preclude religion and government from being "intertwined." For the Separation of Church and State, those are the two clauses for the freedom of religion. The First Clause is the no-establishment clause and the second clause is the freedom of exercise clause. Both are equally important and it is what Jefferson was referring to, or explaining, with his "Separation of Church and State."

What is of interesting note is that some want Freedom from Religion, or getting rid of religion altogether in our society. That will not happen. People use whatever religion they have, whether religious or not, to make certain moral and personal decisions while in government. Examples of this may include whether or not to date someone in the same office as they work for while in government, or how best to deal with certain political situations while in office, etc. It can even be based on certain policy decisions one may take up while in office or as an employee for the government such as Sikh being allowed to grow their beards while in employment by the US military, for instance. In some cases, like with the Quakers and Amish, where religion is specific to pacificism, they use their religion to not be able to enlist in the military, even if there is a draft, for instance.

 

What is confusing? Let me know and I’ll try to assist

I don’t believe the constitution is some magical document that exists in a vacuum. The extreme religious right is currently trying to ignore the constitution and the founders words to push their brand of fascism.

The division of religion and state is expressly mentioned in both however so I don’t understand what point you believe you are making.

You people should really look up the meaning of the word “establishment” in that clause.

Thats strange, for you to be such a textualist the constitution doesn’t mention any of what you just stated it does. But thanks for your misinformed perspective I guess?

There should absolutely be religious freedom but it is impossible to have religious freedom if another religion is making the rules — that is what the amendment you quoted above does. It prevents establishment of religious rule.

Is that what the preachers say to the children before or after they raped them?