Birth Right and Race Reparations for Slavery

Actually they weren't given that. It was promised by some generals in order to entice blacks to fight for them during the civil war, however there is no evidence that the Federal Government ever actually agreed to that or even talked about it, much less proposed it.

 

We've already cut a deal with the Indians. That's what all of those treaties, reservations, and the BIA is about.

 

I recognize the moral case for reparations, but a 150 years later, it's going to be a lot harder to prove actual descending from slaves than you think. I'm sure well to do blacks can afford the necessary genealogical research, but working class and poor blacks? I'm not so sure.

Also, who do the reparations fall to? The oldest members of the family? The grandparents, or everyone? What about the children not born? Does the older brother get 50,000 dollars and the younger brother zero? Or are reparations paid in perpetuity? Once you get on the rolls, do your descendents get cash forever? What about if someone has white or some other heritage since slavery times? Do they get a prorated amount?

These are all obvious questions that I never hear addressed.

 

Chinese and Japanese?

I'm not sure I follow. Africans were enslaved and brought to America against their will. You can't really say the same for Chinese and Japanese.

 

To be fair, it should be $30 plus interest.

 

The national government was not the government entity that authorized slavery, the individual states were. There were free states and slave states. The argument really is, if your ancestors were enslaved in Georgia, they need to receive relief from the state of Georgia, not the national government, which ended up fighting a brutal war to end slavery.

 

Any subject can be turned upside down by narrowing the focus to exclude pertinent facts.

The origin of black slavery was black Africans- capturing and enslaving other black Africans, and selling them. This existed for more than a millennium before any white people were involved.
That is the source of black slavery. Very much an accepted tradition in the Black African culture- violence and disrespect for their own people. Still true today. While the black population commits murder at 4X the rate of the rest of us- most of their victims are other black people.

There would not have been any black slaves in America or the new world if black Africans hadn't made an industry of it in the first place.
That makes the entire argument for reparations moot, and the argument of who they can get money from.... irrelevant.

 

I'm Irish, and the Irish were notoriously mistreated a century ago. Am I entitled to reparations too? Or is it only the color of one's skin that matters?

What about the hundreds of thousands who've been harmed or killed by the clot shots? Is Pfizer or the government liable for the harm caused and fraud perpetrated?

 

This is what so many people just don't get when they're being jealous about 'generational wealth'. After the first generation or two, whatever little might be left becomes so diluted due to so many descendants, it only amounts to pennies. Taxing estates upon the death of the owner is pointless, that money will get circulated and pass through Uncle's bank account multiple times regardless.

Today, Elon is literally the wealthiest person living, and I have nary a clue if he has any kids, but if/when he does, come back in 100 years and see how many Musks are still filthy rich. Probably not very many, especially if he and his progeny are fruitful and multiply a lot.

 

Yes, if any of them are still alive, they should be compensated. The compensation can't come from government so it would fall on any of their masters that are still alive.

Ridiculous but their greed is calling for that. People who have never had slaves don't owe compensation to people who have never been slaves.

No, I definitely don't agree. Only wokesters and blacks accept that kind of nonsense.

 

If we're going to go back in time 2 centuries, why not 5, or 10, or 20, or 100 even. The reality is that no matter what 'tribes' you want to divide us homo sapiens into, whether by race, gender, country of origin, class, royalty, serf, and on and on, at one point in time or another, our ancestors have been the victimizers, and at another point (or even the same point at another place), they were the victims.

It makes sense in the immedate aftermath of whatever incident, historical or hypothetical, that you can even imagine that living perpetrators somehow pay reparations, that may not even be financial, to living victims, but the minute you start punishing the sons, or grandsons, great-, great-great-, and on and on and on, it's an unlimited mess for all of us.

So, let's let historical beefs lay where they fell, deal with any contemporary ones as they arise, and that's that. Not that we forget history, or try to pretend bad things have been done by in many cases good people (both of which are, of course, relative), but to contemplate some revenge so far after the fact is a non-starter. So much so that this is a conversation that should not even be happening, as the idea should have been laughed out of whatever room it originated in.

 

Today's Republican Party was founded by anti-slavery Whigs and other anti-slavery people in 1854. Republicans won the Civil War fought from 1861 - 1865 and freed the slaves of Democrat Plantation Owners in 1865. I believe the Democrat Party should pay reparations to descendants of slaves and descendants of Republicans who lost their lives fighting to end slavery.

Woodrow Wilson was the first postbullum President to segregate the Civil Service. He also resurrected the KKK. Democrats still honor white supremacist Stephen Douglas with a monument in deep blue Chicago, Exalted Cyclops Robert Byrd is honored with a monument in the Capitol Rotunda and the Russell Senate Office Bldg honors racist Democrat Senator Richard Russell.

Democrats blocked asylum for Jewish Holocaust refugees. FDR and Breckenridge Long cooked the asylum books to allow the Nazis to slaughter Jews stuck in Europe. FDR also turned away the MS St Louis with 900 Jewish refugees on board. 550 were killed by the Nazis when the ship returned to Europe.

Did anyone tell you that woke Harvard helped Hitler rise to power? Probably not. Look up Ernst “Putzi” Hanfstaengl. Here, I'll help:
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/2006/05/15/the-harvard-nazi/

It's beyond comprehension how so many Jews and Blacks could have gravitated to the Democrat Party. And I haven't even gotten into lifelong racist LBJ and what he did to the Black family and young men he had growing up in fatherless homes.

 

Blacks continue to occupy the lowest rungs because, like others who started at the bottom, they struggled to lift themselves up ,,, one family at a time. Unlike others, advancement was stifled in the mid-1960's when LBJ broke up poor families with his welfare scheme. Fatherless, rudderless boys were raised by gangs. Democrats were so proud of the outcome LBJ's policies that destroyed family influence, they have worked to destroy the influence of houses of worship. More recently, Corruptocrats used COVID distortions to encourage rioting while outlawing churchgoing and family gatherings.

 

You actually made some good points, and then you had to break out the Jeezus freak card, which is a liability for the GOP I think. Look, I have been dead, however brief it may have been, and I've seen the afterlife, which is a thing, but having grown up with the threat of hell burned into my brain since I learned to speak, I know that the afterlife I visited is not at all what I was taught to fear because I now have decided I'm not at all sure Jeezus even existed as a single individual, much less some special 'son of god', a term that doesn't even make sense.

He 'gave his life' to save us from our sins? What does it mean for Lieutenant God to spend a few years as a human, then die (which he would have been destined to do anyway, even if just of natural old age), and then go back to being Lieutenant God... I'm not seeing any actual sacrifice or loss there.

Physical death means nothing, and it's something that by the time we're spiritually mature enough to even play the homo sapiens virtual reality game, we've done countless thousands, or perhaps hundreds of thousands of times or even more.

I also totally reject the idea that Earth is somehow special, either spiritually or physically, as whether or not we'll ever meet or communicate with anyone else 'out there', they exist. If even one in ten trillion stars has a planet with life on it, and your chances of a lottery win are orders of magnitude better than that, there are still trillions of stars with life, and I think that wherever life can exist, it either does, has, or will someday.

You think your deity and his son Jeezus went to every planet with life in the entire universe to die for all of their sins, too?

But if my grandmother were around to read this post, she would swear I'm hell bound for my sacrilegious thoughts, and my mother would say my death experience was just demons trying to trick me into believing in lies that would send me to hell. In the meantime, I probably have a pretty good case of PTSD from what I flat up consider to be child abuse based on the tales I was told when I was not even in the first grade.

Religion is a joke, and the fact that houses of worship have lost and will continue losing their influence is a good thing.

 

Wrong.

Yes, Africans Did Sell Africans Into Slavery | Medium

 

Interesting point of view. And while I'm not a religious person in the usual sense, I do believe in a higher power- which is not a god; mother nature is the rule maker. The primary rules nature made are the equivalent of a bible to me; I honor them and they work for me- without any negative effect on anyone else.
What I want to point out is that while religions have done many wrongs, they also have helped many people be better than they might have been otherwise. We will never be able to know how this all balances out, and I feel sure that if we were raising our kids properly today, most would be strong enough to be good people without the threat of damnation- but I'm also sure we're failing that challenge pretty seriously.

So- I think some levels of religion still serve us well. The big question is if we are mature enough to manage ourselves well without guidance points like religions- and sadly, I think that is still quite a ways off.

 

Before 1900 Republicans had seated 22 African Americans in Congress. From 1901 to 1971 they seated a whole two more. Yep, two. Since then another 9 (one of those is a double up - Tim Scott has been in both chambers). These numbers only cover voting members.

In that same period Democrats have seated over 125 African Americans in Congress. One of them went on to become Vice President & one President. Over 50 sit in Congress at the moment, compared to a whole three for the GOP.

 

You and your pathetic little one word responses. Below you'll find a map of where on the planet as of 2018 (so, roughly current) slavery still exists on this planet. You'll note the dark red/orange areas in the center of Africa. I wonder- what race of humans is prevalent there? Also, sad to see how common it is in the Islamic world, yet another reason to isolate them from the rest of humanity.

 

"I'll have those ni**ers voting Democratic for 200 years." - Democrat POTUS LBJ, on why he was supporting the Civil Rights Act.

Fortunately it passed, probably before most people who hang out here were born, though with some exceptions for our older denizens, and even more fortunately, it's something that is more or less taken for granted now. Since DT was elected, or really, since the very day he announced his candidacy, the drive to destroy him has motivated people to divide and conquer the American people, and in so doing, race relations have actually gotten worse, when they were almost to the point that nobody but nutcases like Al Sharpton spent any time worrying about, a man that lost his credibility so long ago that he should not even be relevant today, but probably is even more since the left lost their minds over the Donald.

 

So you couldn't read Yes, Africans Did Sell Africans Into Slavery | Medium

 

The rules of nature you speak of are just the metaphorical program that we are living in, where this Universe exists as a "physical" plane of existence, separated from our true selves and nature.

The higher power is not higher so much as it's just all of us combined. It is pure consciousness, and is the only real thing that exists anywhere. Whatever 'it' is, I'm not even sure it knows, or where it even came from. It seems it decided to carve itself up into countless little pieces of lesser consciousness (that would be us, and all other forms of life, here and elsewhere, both of this Universe and of others) in an effort to explore it's own nature, limits (if any), purpose (if any) and so forth.

It's called many things, god, sometimes "God", Mother Nature, and my personal favorite which is 'Source'. But it is not some separate entity, like Abrahamic religions portray their deity as being a different personality, just as you and I are, only somehow 'superior' to the rest of existence. It does not demand worship, or belief, or even 'being good', although as we little parts gain our own knowledge and existence, I think 'being good' just becomes a natural and default position to have.

That's not to say that what we would call evil is not important, indeed it's a yin and yang thing. Without evil, there can be no good, as there is nothing to make comparisons against. And us little carved off chunks of tiny consciousness do play various roles during our multiple lifetimes, human and otherwise, and sometimes we are the 'bad guy'. But unlike a movie with a script, we do have free will to do as we please, but we also have to deal with the consequences of that, and no, I'm not talking about any 'hell' concept, as that doesn't exist. And Source itself is just all of us when combined into one, but oh boy, let me tell you one thing... When I say to many buybull thumpers that we literally are 'god', they have an absolute shitfit. But it is, I think, an accurate description.

At the same time, I think if you need to fear divine retribution to do good things, that is a sign of immaturity, just as it is of those who harm others in our puny little play called life. I don't not kill people because some law says I'm not supposed to or else, I don't do it because not doing so is the right thing to... not do, I guess. With some exceptions, like defense of self or others.

Much of the study of science is just reverse engineering the 'code' of the Universe itself, and I believe that much behavior of quantum physics demonstrates fairly convincingly that our reality is in fact not at all real, an opinion widely held by many in the scientific community, especially those with a knowledge of quantum physics, but not necessarily talked about in public.

But I've gotten some people who are serious degreed players in that world who, when I tell them what I just told you look at me with this curious look, and respond with some version of the sentiment behind the statement of 'No $hit, Sherlock, you figure that out all by yourself?' I always chuckle when that happens to me, but since my disability hit, and I no longer get out much at all, it's been some time since I was able to discuss such things with actual bona fide experts. I am self-trained, and hold no formal degrees on the topic, but I think I understand it (and simultaneously, don't) more than even some who do have such parchments.

Then again, while people who share my experience with having died, and subsequently surviving are not super rare, neither are they super common, indeed as far as I know I am the only person I know who has. And I know a lot of people, many quite intimately.

 

It was more than a promise by some generals. It was worked out by Sherman and Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton. Too bad that sniveling Southern sympathiser Andrew Johnson reneged.

 

I am well aware that the world worked in different ways then than it does now, but I can say with absolute certainty that in a similar situation today, no military Officer, not even the Chairman of the JCS, who for those unfamiliar is the single highest ranking Officer in command of all military forces, regardless of which one they happen to be in, could make a deal such as that. I'm not even sure the President could, as it would require Congressional action.

I think the same was likely as true then as it is now.

 

Consider this. Nature has created millions of species, a huge variety of life- and while you and the vast majority of people failed to notice, those million have thrived for millions of years- and they didn't have psychologists, politicians, religions or any of the things humans use to try to keep them on track, with limited success. Nor did they use up the natural assets of the planet, nor poison it. Humans- are less successful as a species than anything else that ever was, and the first species likely to become the cause of it's own extinction.

For many years, I was in a position to watch how this worked, in the place least touched by humans in the world. The big, the small, the powerful, the weak- all thriving together. Harmony- and everything alive, everywhere you looked. Every time I watched that, the same question came up- What do they know that we don't? That convinced me that the answers I'd sought to understanding life were in front of me. Eventually- it became clear that life in nature operated on just a few fundamental principles of behavior. Every species, regardless. The exception is humans. We could and we should, but our advanced powers of imagination coupled with the arrogance of feeling superior have enabled us to convince ourselves that we are so smart those principles don't apply to us..... Thus, we are the only species that can't get our act together. Everything alive on this planet can do what you and I and all humans cannot do- thrive with nothing but what nature gave them. And we call them- dumb animals. These aren't the rules of dying, but of living well- of being strong and happy and independent. If you can't do that, a good part of you isn't alive anyway. I simply got desperate enough to question the accepted knowledge that humans believed- and learned from the teacher who made all the real rules in the first place; the only truly successful one. They apply equally well to human life, but you actually have to live by them to benefit. As a species, most of us are too smart to do that. We have better ideas. Even if they don't work, they are good because they are ours.

My "bible" can be printed on the back of a business card, and provides the answers to whatever situation comes up. I've lived by that more than 40 years now- and it is always right. There is no religion that or any other life philosophy in the world that matches that. Hardly anything like what you assume.