Birth Right and Race Reparations for Slavery

Not the topic of the thread. But I would say no. Unless they themselves are old enough to have been denied those rights. Then, maybe.

 

The OP question is about if there is a debt to the actual slaves, is that debt then inheritable by birth right of their descendants, or is it whipped out with their death.

That leaves any questions about these descendants' other ancestors or their own actions/merit/suffering beside the point and off topic.

This isn't a question about moral virtue so much as it is about inheritance.

Note that the OP speaks of an argument that isn't my own, but one in a debate I saw that struck me curious. Personally, I can see something for the immediate family but think it's too remote after a few generations.

 

if you did not want to answer, that is fine, but I am free to ask

black decedents of slave owners are both decedents of slaves and slave owners

 

I did answer. Multiple times.

Under the OP model it applies to anyone who has a slave as an ancestor. Who their other ancestors are is irrelevant to that. If you had an ancestor who was a slave and 3 others who were slavers, then yes you qualify, because you have an ancestor who was a slave.

Now I note you have not actually addressed the OP question/topic.

 

I agree that some people have an economic loss of potential generational wealth as a result of race based slavery and race based discrimination. But identifying this problem isn't particularly useful in identifying a solution. What do we give them to compensate, and from whom is it to be taken?

The best solution I can think of is to hand over some Federal land. But that's not going to be very useful or valuable without any infrastructure. They'll end up selling it to developers, and sure get a little money, but if folks who win the lottery are any indication, giving poor people piles of money doesn't do them any good in the long run. We'll likely be back in the same place we are now before long. I'm not opposed to trying (lord knows there's enough federal land to divy some up for grand social experiments and still have plenty left over), I just don't think it'll turn out well.

 

If any "restitution" makes sense for an injustice, it's restoring a person to the position they would have been in if the injustice they hold responsible for all their ills had never happened in the first place.

IF black Africans had never been captured and sold as slaves, their descendants today would be- Black Africans, mostly citizens of Angola, Gabon, Congo, Senegal and a few others.
It should be the right of any black person unhappy with the conditions in America to be restored to that original heritage; returned to what would have been their native land if their ancestors had not been sold into slavery. The value of their assets goes with them; the government takes the responsibility for seeing to that. They exchange American citizenship for citizenship in what would be their native land, and one-way travel is paid for by the US government. Then they would have the benefits that come from living in nations that have always had black supremacy and be in the majority, and thus be free of all the "white supremacy" and "systemic racism" they feel they are victims of now. Generally, they would likely be among the most wealthy and best educated in those countries, and should thrive there. This choice of course would be optional.
It would however be an either/or kind of choice. If you choose to stay, you reject the offer of restitution and you are no more entitled to special consideration than any other ordinary citizen. If you choose restitution, you're on your way to a new and better life and it's settled permanently.

 

If it's about inheritance, than it's so little money as to be worth worrying about. 30 acres and a mule plus 150 years of interest divided amongst all of the current living descendants. At that point you're talking about chump change.

 

Another great way to stifle individual success.

Nobody I know that works is working for themselves. They are working for their families, their friends, and their neighbors (in that order). I have spent my life building up wealth, not for myself but for my wife and kids. So their life is a little easier and they are taken care of.

If you told me today, that any wealth I earned during my life would be 100% given to the government, I would close shop today tell all my employees to leave, and lock the door. I will not be forced to work, and build something up so that somebody else can take it. Nope. Not going to happen.

Ive earned enough at 44 years old to retire now. I would be done and many may other people like me would be as well.

 

The topic is about reparations for having ones ancestors 150 not having rights. I don't know of anyone old enough to have been denied those rights or suffered any economic consequence from it.

 

so you're saying yes, that decedents of slave owners would get reparations under this plan?