Ohio voters reject measure aimed at blocking abortion rights amendment

Please show me in the Bible where you have the right to force yourself on someone. You misunderstand waiting to be asked for help with forcing yourself on someone who did not ask for it.

When you start using the New Testament to justify forcing yourself on others that is not Biblical-that is just you a human being intolerant and the anti-thesis ironically of the Christian you claim to be.

If you need to use the words of Christ to force yourself on someone, think about why that is contradictory.

As for your comment about voting and changing laws not being Biblical think. The current anti abortion laws were about changing laws and imposing political beliefs on others.

No its not political or legal and non Biblical only when the decisions do not agree with your own.

 

Where in my post #225 I am suggesting “ forcing on someone”?

 

and then they promptly pushed a bill in the Senate that pushed for a national ban on abortion.


Make no mistakes.

It was NEVER EVER about states rights.

This was just a lie they told in order to get RvW overturned. They never had any intention of "states rights". Because most republicans are nothing but liars and cheats.

 

Then why are some states creating laws that require ADULTS to jump through hoops for years and years before they are allowed to have said change?

No, there is most certainly a right wing brigade that hates trans and gays, and wants to see them ostricized, and banned as much as possible.

 

Fortunately, less than a zero chance anything like that will move through any Senate in our lifetimes...

 

Dont count on it. 5 years ago. RvW was "settled" law.

 

For government to protect innocent life is very Biblical. In fact, it is the "premiere duty" of government. And our Constitution and Bill of Rights speaks of a "limited government". You and Progressives speak of using government in every way "except" for exercising it's" premiere duty"!

 

Yeah, but that was due to a fully purchased SCOTUS... only need 5 there..

You need a lot more Senators....

 

Women Do have a choice.....whether or not to have unprotected sex with a man that does not care to be a father. That should be the choice instead of one that involves a third party!

 

If Biblical teaching to be established by government on this earth to save / protect people then Jesus Christ died on the cross in vain.

Yes, liberals wants big government and government do everything for people, including taking your hard earn money and distribute to poor people. . But that has nothing to do with Christianity. I believe in separation of church and state. My religious view and my religious conviction have no relation to what policy I want in government. However many of Democrat’s policies do align with biblical teaching and I am happy about that. Democrat’s don’t sell their welfare system as “ Biblical principle” to any one.. but as a Christian I am happy that “ feed the hungry, take care the sick, taking care the poor” is a biblical teaching which reflects some of the welfare system DEMS advocate.

Liberals are not trying to bring religion in Government. We practice our religion in our home, in our community, in our church and how we treat each other, in our everyday life. We don’t enforce our religion on you, nor do we want you force your religion on us.

Now you want to talk about what is government role - protecting people vs taking care the needy from secular point of view? I welcome the debate.

 

Show me where Separation of Religion and State Reside in the Constitution. Jefferson wrote that phrase in a letter to a Pastor who felt his faith was being infringed upon, the Thomas went to his house of worship immediately afterward. Democrats want government to do their responsibility. While government does "their" responsibility, it lines the pockets of greedy bureaucrats and elected officials (enter the Biden Crime Family) with money it has confiscated by "force of law". That is not charity! You want to help the poor.....give to Franklin Graham or better yet, seel out the poor and give directly with a message of hope! Separation of Church and State is a tool used by the Godless to keep Christians out of government! Actually the Constitution was designed to keep government out of religion, not the other way around!
You say you practice religion in your community. Do you kill the unborn in your community? Is that going on there? What you really want to say is, Keep Christian values to yourself!
So you imply that "government" is the hands and feet of the Body of Christ but you want to keep Christ out of government. That is very hypocritical and exposes what you really say!

 

I don’t care what US constitution say about Church and State. If US constitution says Church and state should be together , then we need to amend and make sure that no religious - Church or temple has any influence in government. I definitely don’t want your version of ‘Christianity” controlling the government.

 

Look at how well they want to look after babies that have actually been born and work it out from there.

 

That is definitely so. There's more than one powerful lobbying group that wants to make sure this is not a "States' rights" issue.

 

That's your answer? You ignore just to name 4:

1-the man's role in the decision
2-compelling medical issues that would not be known at the time the decision to have sex was made
3-rape, forced sex
4-the man the woman had sex with did indicate he wanted to be a father and then changed his mind
5-you failed math- physically women can only get pregnant about two days each month and for the majority of women that means 24 days a year-so the math ignores men can choose to have multiple sex partners and ejaculate 365 days a year and sometimes twice or more times a day -so the math shows that decision to ejaculate clearly is not solely the result of women alone
6-you deliberately ignore how men coerce, force, pressure, manipulate and threaten women to have sex with them\

Your answer assumes a very simple to the point of imbecilic black and white scenario where you blame women for being pregnant and believe once they are pregnant you tell them what they can do because you and those who agree with you feel your religious beliefs give you the right to demand and impose full term on women you do not know, have never spoken to and never will.

You might want to try understand the world and the decisions made in it can not be jammed into simplistic categories so you can then make judgemental assumptions of what people decided when you have never spoken to them and have no clue what they were thinking.

Next here is why I call your sentiments out as morally defective and blatantly two faced bs. Using your analogy if you want to force a woman to term then you should adopt her child. Where are you after the child is born?

You are the same person whining about welfare mothers.

Bottom line is you sit on your sofa preaching and judging and using women to feel righteous over but you will not practice what you preach.

Oh but hey thanks though for sharing.

 

The only words hypocritical and expose what you really say are your words and I quote" Separation of Church and State is a tool used by the Godless to keep Christians out of government.. the Constitutoon was designed to keep government out of religion not the other way around!"

So which one is it. Government and religion as one and the same or government must keep out (stay separate) of religion. Well? Do you read the two faced bs you write lol? What you are arguing and anyone can read the above is you want to use government to impose your version of Christianity on others, no more no less.

Your assumption people who want to separate church from state as being Godless is nonsensical. You are very aware of Christians and other people who believe in God who believe no one has the right to use a government to force their religious views on others. Cut the Godless reference its past stupid.

Also you ask where the US Constitution separates religion from state and trot out some simplistic misinterpretation? Why?

You know your comment is a blatant misrepresentation.

You are well aware both Jefferson and fellow Virginian James Madison felt that state support for a particular religion or for any religion was improper precisely because they argued that compelling citizens to support through taxation a faith they did not follow violated their natural right to religious liberty.

Why would you deny that and try pretend that was not their view?

In fact the first clause in the Bill of Rights states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

In fact it was Roger Williams, the founder of Rhode Island, who was the first public official to use this metaphor. He was of the opinion an authentic Christian church could only be possible if it avoided any connection to the government which he felt would necessarily corrupt it.

Jefferson then repeated the above concept of a wall or separation between church and state in amn 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association where he declared that when the American people adopted the establishment clause they built a “wall of separation between the church and state.”

source for above:https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendmen... Virginian,natural right to religious liberty.

So why do you misrepresent history?

 

Of course that is not the poin tbut you don't care what the Constitution says any way.....so just forget it!

 

I agree the government does not represent any religion, but it should not interfere with any at the same time. The godless, and that may include you I don't know, want to interpret as Christian precepts have no place in government.

I accept that.

A letter is not in the Constitution.. It was not ratified. Don't pretend it is.

 

You just don't believe people have responsibility for their choices. That is your bottom line. Not worth expounding on.
Death is an appropriate name for you.

 

absolutely

 

That is why they fund groups like "Crisis Pregnancy Centers". Very worthwhile.

 

And as I have said even if constitution says church should lead the government, I don’t want your version of church to lead the government. You don’t want my version of church to lead the government. A Muslim American don’t want a Hindu American’s temple to lead the government. An atheist defiantly don’t want any religious group lead the government.

Only American evangelical right want to force their religion shove down to rest of America. How is that working out? More and more American reject the man made Christianity. Churches are empty today. No , not because of liberals, not because of LGBTQ community, it is because Christians. Rather then preaching gospel in the church they preach which political party they should support. Rather then witnessing to nonbeliever, evangelicals wants to shove down the biblical principle to nonbeliever. Rather then picking up their own cross they are too busy pointing finger to everyone else. Replaced Christ with political leader to save them.

And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

 

Nope!

 

I challenge you to find a political preference mentioned 1 time in the last 15 years at the church I attend. Mountain Bible Church, Payson Az. Put up or shut up.

 

Oh I don’t need to dig up any preaching from your church. The witness you are giving here reflects the teaching of the church. And the witness you are giving here is “ Gospel of republican party” and not “ Gospel of Christ” .