Derek Chauvin stabbed by inmate in federal prison, seriously injured

"All along?" You mean, by the "Deep State," which has shepherded Chauvin's incarceration, as opposed to the decisions having been made by individual officials, not all being controlled by One Will?

 

Yeah. Being dead means that any re-evaluation of the evidence (not from appeal, naturally, because nobody wants to touch that case with a 10' pole) that shows a tainted conviction just allows the world to shrug and say, "oops, our bad".

 

Do you believe in the bible?

 

He is a murderer among other murderers. Why should he get special treatment?

 

I would call the desire to make excuses for a sadistic cop, "sickening"-- because I'm passed the "fascinating," stage.

Easy to make the mistake? Being manipulative? So Dr. Chauvin also misdiagnosed Floyd's unconsciousness?

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Derek Chauvin, the police officer charged with third-degree murder in connection with the death of George Floyd, had his knee on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes -- including almost three minutes while Floyd was unresponsive -- according to court documents.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/derek-chauvin-knee-george-floyds-neck-minutes-complaint/story?id=70961042

Sure-- a 46 year old, "professional boxer." In handcuffs. Face down on the ground, with how many cops, on top of him?

B.S.

 

It's very typical for police officers to step up the level of force when they are frustrated, feel like they are losing control of a situation, and the suspect does not seem cooperative.

 

Just for the sake of argument, let's suppose that were true. As it turned out, that officer needed protection.
Look what ended up happening. Got sentenced to a far excessive prison time (in the opinion of some) and got stabbed in prison (if this news article is correct).

Some might argue that, even if he did deserve prison time, perhaps it would have been better for the other officers to cover it up and sweep it under the rug so this travesty of justice would not have happened. (additional travesty of justice, it might be better to say, since I do not claim the suspect dying was justice either)

 

Many animals play dead when caught in the clutches of predators and the animal sees that the chances of escape are slim.

This leads to a chance to the predator may let their guard down, or leave the animal alone. Then the animal can have a chance of getting away.

From the point of view of the officer, there was a chance the suspect was just being manipulative. If you think how hysterical the suspect was being just two or three minutes before, trying to do anything to avoid being taken away in the back of the police car.

Perhaps we cannot know for sure, but the pressure applied on the suspect's neck might have been very light. The autopsy report did not find any bruising or the slightest bit of trauma to the neck area. This of course doesn't really prove anything but does show that any amount of pressure applied was below a certain threshold. Usually if you applied enough pressure to cause a normal healthy person to choke and suffocate, it would leave a mark observable during autopsy.

Medical help was on its way.

 

Do you believe white lives matter?

 

Taking a look at the bodyweight of the suspect and the bodyweight of the officer, and then also trying to infer the likely weight range of the other officers by looking at their picture profiles, may be informative.

All the officers seem to have been kind of mid-weight range, I would say even slightly below compared to the weight range of typical police officers.

Floyd was close to 223 pounds (101 kg). Chauvin was only a little over 140 (63.5 kg), which is considered kind lightweight, even compared to a normal man who is not a police officer.
And if you look at Floyd's body build, most of that 223 pounds does not appear to be fat.

 

Probably not.... as civility,& respect, don't seem relevant in current society ,be it outside or inside a prison.
It is all about AGGRESSION ...

Aren't there "rules" and unspoken understandings in the prisoner group ?? It is a "social" structure " all on its own. It is survival based.

 

As a rule, prisoners (in medium and maximum security prisons) do not like police officers. Including police officers who committed a crime and got sent to prison themselves.
A police officer who caused a suspect's death through excessive heavy-handed force or brutality would especially not be liked. It would likely not be a safe environment for a police officer like that.

The prison probably should have provided Chauvin with an alias, to call him by a different name in front of the other prisoners, to try to help avoid him being recognized from the news stories, but that was not done.

 

that definition of murder would be charged as manslaughter in most other states

 

These people are not the best at making subtle distinctions.

 

Force is supposed to be used, in short bursts. Once Floyd was face down, in handcuffs, with several cops on top of him, there was no rational reason to continue feeling "frustrated." I understand that cops are humans but, first, they should be trained to resist reacting, the way an emotionally out of control civilian might act; those who are unable to stay calm under pressure, should not be given the authority of being a police officer, to start. In this case, though, we cannot look at Chauvin's actions, for over nine minutes, even as being a purely emotional overreaction. There had to be intent, there.

 

He was found guilty of murder, but feel free to call it anything you want.

There is no distinctions, or opinions, only facts. He is guilty of 2nd degree murder.

 

Seriously? An alias? You think that's going to keep somebody safe in prison??

Physical segregation is the only chance for success there....

Why not give him a fake mustache too.....

 

Poor baby, he can ask to be put in solitary confinement.

It's not like he'd be being held in an "unreasonable seizure".
He's familiar with those.

 

the bad cop was a criminal, good cops should have stopped him in the act, and no cop should have covered for him after the fact

 

Nature is taking its course.
The ugly within him will have him soon unrecognizable.

 

And that is how a cop ended up getting 22.5 yrs.+ a few more on his fed conviction.

btw: 4 cops against a handcuffed, on his stomach suspect, were the ones in control, they're also all in prisons now.

 

Given excessive prison sentences just for standing by and not intervening.

J. Alexander Kueng was sentenced to three years in prison. Tou Thao was sentenced to three and a half years. Thomas Lane was sentenced to three years in state court, and separately two and a half years in prison by a federal court.

I also notice something unconstitutional about how they were charged. They were convicted of "violating Floyd's rights", presumably under an interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
But they were being criminally charged not for what they did do, but for what they did not do.
I do not see how the U.S. Constitution could appropriately and justifiably allow those other officers to be charged in a federal court like this.

Even charging Chauvin in federal court was a very questionable stretch of the original intent of the Fourteenth Amendment, since he had already been found guilty in state court and was going to get a very long prison sentence. The provision in the Fourteenth Amendment is there to allow the federal government to intervene if the state does not protect an individual's rights with consistent protection of the law.

It seems evident that the harsh sentencing of these officers was politically motivated. They were punished not merely for what they did, but because what they did was seen as part of a bigger issue that went beyond that individual situation.

 

The 3 didn't just "stand by", they did nothing while a man was being tortured to death.
All 3 did nothing when told Floyd was dying (after he urinated) and whenFloyd had no pulse.

Just ****ing amazing that you know so much more about the Constitution and criminal laws than Chauvin's defense attorneys.
So sad for Chauvin & thugs that they didn't hire you.
But on the flip side you keep many of us here highly entertained.

 

Your hypocrisy is glaring...lol

 

He may not be the most comely to look at, but since when have progressives advocated judging people based on their physical appearance?

If you look at Chauvin's body, his face reveals that he is older, even aged a little bit beyond his years, and he is not the most slim, even seems to have a slight pot belly.
This means that even with his diminutive bodyweight at around 140 pounds, some of that weight was fat rather than muscle.
Further strengthening the argument that he did not have the physical strength to effortlessly keep Floyd under control.

Should we not care about people because they don't look very physically attractive?
I know there often ends up being bias in the criminal justice system over this.