Russia Offered to End War in 2022 If Ukraine Scrapped NATO Ambitions – Zelensky Party Chief

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  1. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

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    No I'm not like you D. I've actually been to and know about the places I comment on.
     
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    Don't see an argument anywhere Jack - "Defense of democracy and freedom" was never on the table - so nothing to defend in that respect. Either way - the power of Ukraine's defence has a whole lot to do with US cash and weapons keeping the country afloat and the troops supplied but .. that support is waning .. and Ukraine has about run out of human capital .. putting women and grandfathers on the front lines which are now poorly supplied .. poorly trained .. and still way out-gunned .. the wests focus now moving to Israel ... the US gonna do what they always do and leave. This latest JV proxy team will left in the lurch like all the others .. Ukraine a nation no more as we knew it .. the colors on the map have changed once again - US-NATO has lost this round .. the lessons learned , hard ones.
     
  3. Jack Hays

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    Sorry, not going into that other than to say I was privileged to have a small role in the defeat of the Soviet Union, and then dealing with successor states.
    I don't doubt your extensive time in Russia; I think you live there.
     
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    Based on how you talk about Ukraine, I'm thinking you haven't actually been there. I have and I know you're absurdly wrong about it.
     
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    Been to a part of it Ukraine that wasn't under naZi occupation? Did you go to give the kind of rousing speech that Maria Butina did prior to Russia starting the Donbas conflict?
     
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    Why must you visit territory to understand it?
     
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    ''

    There is more to being free than having elections
     
  8. Bill Carson

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    show us something D. you are all talk....keyboard talk that is

    where was this picture taken? do you need to go back through my posts to learn?

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    yeah yeah Jack. You nor the US defeated the Soviet Union. Communism defeated the Soviet Union. "a small role in the defeat of the Soviet Union" :roflol:what a laugh :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    Don't be ridiculous. If Ronald Reagan had not been elected in all likelihood, the Soviet Union would exist to this day.
     
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    That's not what other Russians say.

    ". . . Ronald Reagan’s determination to destroy communism and the Soviet Union was a hallmark of his eight-year presidency, carried out through a harsh nuclear policy toward Moscow that softened only slightly when Gorbachev came to office.

    He is vividly remembered in Russia today as the force that precipitated the Soviet collapse.

    “Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal,” said Gennady Gerasimov, who served as top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign Ministry during the 1980s. . . .

    “Reagan’s SDI was a very successful blackmail,” Gerasimov told The Associated Press. “The Soviet Union tried to keep up pace with the U.S. military buildup, but the Soviet economy couldn’t endure such competition.” . . . "
    In Russia, Reagan rememberedfor helping bring down ...
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    Jun 5, 2004 — Gorbachev, tear down this wall” — was the ultimate challenge of the Cold War. Ronald Reagan's determination to destroy communism and the Soviet ...
     
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    And there you go with the internet memes again.

    It wouldn't be hard for a bunch of naZi invaders to get hold of a Ukrainian flag and stage that kind of photo.
     
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    Then you have no ****ing clue where that photo was taken. Case closed.
     
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    And fascism will defeat Putinism.
     
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    Bill, a picture of 10 people posing with some flags on a sidewalk doesn't prove anything. You have never once commented on the photos I've posted of neo-Nazis in Russia, nor that of the neo-Nazis in Charlottesville. I post them to illustrate the point that there are neo-Nazis everywhere and that simply posting photos of people holding those flags and doing Nazi salutes doesn't prove a damned thing about anyone but the people in the photo. It doesn't make the government in that place a fascist government. It does not prove the silly claims you like to post over and over and over about Ukraine's people and government, nor about made-up persecution of Russians in Ukraine. I know for a fact that I saw no such people when I visited and I had no trouble speaking Russian rather than Ukrainian with the locals.
     
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    How's the 3 day op....Bill?

    Putinka now looking to build a "Eurotunnel" under the BS to Krym.

    That's not inspiring confidence in the Kerch Bridge is it?
     
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    How's your Sberbank shares these days Bill?...are they still in rubbles?

    I suspect McDonald's Happy meal coupons are worth more?
     
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    I'm not talking about US wars, I'm talking about the assistance the USA gives other countries.
     
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    I'm not American, I don't know about that, I heard there were budget cuts in NY and they blamed all the money they give Ukriane and now Israel, if I was American I would also think America first.....

    But, thank you none the less, America's support to Israel exceeds financial support.
     
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    No D, ukie land is losing. Your beloved Banderites are being ground into sausage.
     
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    And your pride over the carnage says a lot about you.
     
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    Many more naZis are being 'ground into sausage' since they rely more on meatwave attacks. As fmw points out above, you do seem to display a curious lack of regard for human life and revel in violence. Do you tell yourself that everyone who dies on the Ukrainian side is a "Banderite," whatever that means?
     
  23. Bill Carson

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    NATO warmongers are damn sure hypocrites. Maybe it's the psy-op bus everyone seems to ride but nevertheless, they ought to know the basics of what they are supporting.

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    Russian missile strikes in eastern Ukraine tear through buildings and bury families
    Ukrainian officials say Russian missiles tore through apartments in Donetsk.

    ByHANNA ARHIROVA Associated Press
    November 30, 2023, 4:37 AM

    KYIV, Ukraine -- Russian missiles tore through apartment buildings in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk region, local officials said Thursday, killing at least one person and burying families under rubble as the Kremlin’s forces continued to pound the fiercely contested area with long-range weapons.

    Russian military units simultaneously launched six S-300 missiles toward the Donetsk region during the night, according to Ukrainian Internal Affairs Minister Ihor Klymenko. Another two were fired separately in the same area, the Ukrainian air force said.

    The simultaneous missile strikes hit three Donetsk cities — Pokrovsk, Novohrodivka and Myrnohrad, Klymenko said. The cities lie 25-40 kilometers (15-25 miles) from the front line.

    ... https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...eastern-ukraine-tear-buildings-bury-105266364

    I suppose Bill imagines they were all "Banderites" or some such, so it's cool.
     
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    Great pics Bill....some of them look a lot like Charlottesville.....
     

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