Russia Offered to End War in 2022 If Ukraine Scrapped NATO Ambitions – Zelensky Party Chief

Strange way of protecting RuZZian speakers....but look at it this way....Botox chimp is getting rid of the most vociferous Pro RuZZian attitudes by doing this.....liberation should be easier since all the fighting age dudes in DPR are all dead?

 

More likely yet another time the ukie's malfunctioning S-300s (surface to air missiles) hit buildings they use for cover.

 

Where's those hypersonic,supersonic,ubersonic,Kinzhals Bill?

The 3 clowns who designed it are somewhere in jail....Putinka was very upset about knowing that his "Wunder Waffe" was taken out by 30 yr old table scraps Patriots?

What is it at now?.....0 for 25?

 

You get credit for wasting a lot of time putting together the images but your defense of the Russian invasion falls quite short.

 

An opinion without evidence. More likely Russia is at fault for invading its neighbor.

 

Seems Ukraine keeps shooting that shoddy junk out of the sky wherever Patriots are stationed. I remember Bill saying they would easily destroy those Patriots, that those Patriots were outdated junk.

But then again, he also told us ruZZia would double its holdings in Ukraine over a year ago already. Whoopsies.

 

Your post assumed the Russians have had a) a victory or b) any success. This is the opposite of the truth. They have revealed themselves to be a paper tiger that can't pour piss out of a boot if you tell them the instructions are on the heel.
Far from protecting his position he has weakened it fatally.
Further: He does not have the right to invade a sovereign nation and dictate terms to them. For that alone he needs to be soundly whipped.

 

the jokes write themselves

The US/NATO can pull off various Coups around the world without consequence....until they do it on Russia's border.

 

I'm continuously amazed that you cannot shake the idea that the current situation is a rerun of World War II, and that you think an irrelevant quote is actually a response.

 

So which side are you on? Fascism or Putinism?

 

1) no one pulled off a coup;
2) Russia has way too little firepower and military effectiveness to **** around. They're finding that out.
3) the same is not true of Nato. Essentially: Its not my fault the girls like it when we do it because our dicks are bigger and are creeped out by the Putler's tiny little micro army.

 

Another Kremlin lie that you parrot.

 

I'm against the whole coin.

Tell me something. Why do you always come here to dump on America and the people who support Ukrainian freedom and democracy and leave the pro-Z trolls alone?

 

Human nature is a constant.
I'm amazed by how little you value freedom.

 

Very true and it's so much like the mirror image of the USSR placing missiles (1 real, 33 fake) in the
sovereign nation of Cuba, that for the US to believe Russia would tolerate having missiles a lot
closer to their capital, seems odd

the US went ballistic over the missiles in Cuba, three times as far from DC as the missiles in Ukraine would be,
that I would say Russia has every right to be upset.

CRAP:
1. NATO is claimed to be a defensive organization - it attacked Libya and Kosovo.
2. Russia can't dictate what goes on in a neighboring sovereign country - the US does that routinely.
3. Ukraine decided by referendum it didn't want to be part of Russia - did it decide by referendum to
threaten Russia?

Etc. Etc. Etc. I'm only writing this to practice my typing.

 

Interesting question. Totally misplaced since it doesn't in the slightest describe my posts, however there is a little bit of diamond in your pile of sand.

The only person on this forum (that I know of) who could in even the slightest way be described as a "pro-Z troll" would be @Bill Carson. Based on his posts, her prefers the Russians to the Ukrainians. His preferences seems to be based on multiple traveling to the area and whatever experiences he had in those two countries. But I can't speak for him; he's posted plenty in these Ukraine threads.

But who else? I can't think of a single poster I've seen since the war began that could be described as pro Russian. There are people who oppose our participation in the war, such as myself, but that doesn't have anything to do with supporting Russia, even though you've accused me baselessly of being a Russkie troll multiple times, as have other slava ukraini posters on this forum.

As for your accusation that I "dump on America" that's simply a baseless insult. I'm supporting America and want it to survive, so I would like for it to avoid poor foreign policy decisions.

 

I'm amazed that you lived through 2003 to 2021 and managed to not learn a thing about where US foreign policy went wrong. It's a fascinating case study but I assume it's based on your participation in it, so you feel the need to justify the policy, no matter the failure.

As for freedom, that's extremely ironic given in another thread you supported Haley's plan to have everyone using the internet be a registered user. It's embarrassing for a Republican, let alone a major Presidential candidate, to propose such a thing. But I've think you've lost all credibility on the freedom part. I can't think of a single thing you've posted that you've supported liberty in any way. Of course I could be wrong about that but certainly nothing comes to mind. Neo-Cons are not generally known as being concerned about issues regarding freedom anyway.

 

If the US is like the Titanic going full speed for the iceberg, I'd suggest
losing some speed and changing course.

And not because I love the iceberg,
but because I'm fond of the Titanic.

 

Most of those posting in World News troll for Russia, you included.

Your use of language here is revealing, by the way, as is your curious way to describing Bill.

I don't know if you work for them or are just sympathetic, but either way your loyalties are clear.

 

The thread topic is not US foreign policy.
As for liberty, there are people dying for it now in Ukraine. You support their would-be oppressors.

 

I keep seeing people claim that Russia invaded Ukraine - a baseless assumption - but one pretty well universal in our media.

Wrong by domain - Russia moved forces in to protect Donetsk, they didn't attack all of Ukraine nor attack the people of Ukraine
Wrong by intent - it was a move to protect Donetsk, members of the UAF who died were attacking the Russian defensive line,
and didn't have to be there.
Wrong by time - The war started in 2014, that is obvious, so how would moving forces in on Feb 24 2022 start the war that had
started 8 years earlier.

 

I think the problem might be that some people have just decided who is right and who is wrong and
won't change their preferences whatever the evidence is.

Basically they believed the garbage Joe was speaking and now simply can't change.
And I know what is going to happen when the news eventually has to admit Russia is doing rather well -
they will move the goal posts. Guaranteed.

 

For those who think Russia started the war by moving forces in 8 years after the war had started,
I have a photo of the US, Canada and Britain starting WW2, by invading, a number of years
after it had started, the same idea really:

 

Why die for the Pootster's madness?

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, November 30, 2023
Nov 30, 2023 - ISW Press



A recent Russian opinion poll indicates that the number of Russians who fully support the war in Ukraine has almost halved since February 2023 and that more Russians support a withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine than do not. Independent Russian opposition polling organization Chronicles stated that data from its October 17-22, 2023, telephone survey indicates that respondents who are “consistent” supporters of the war - those who expressed support for the war, do not support a withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine without Russia having achieved its war aims, and think that Russia should prioritize military spending - decreased from 22 percent to 12 percent between February 2023 and October 2023. Chronicles stated that 40 percent of respondents supported a withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine without Russia having achieved its war aims, and that this number has remained consistent at about 39 to 40 percent throughout 2023. Chronicles stated that 33 percent of respondents did not support a Russian withdrawal and favored a continuation of the war and noted that this number has been consistently decreasing from 47 percent in February 2023 and 39 percent in July 2023. Recent polling by the independent Russian polling organization Levada Center published on October 31 indicated that 55 percent of respondents believed that Russia should begin peace negotiations whereas 38 percent favored continuing the war.

 

You joined PF on 2 February 2022. Russia invaded Ukraine 24 February 2022.