Russia Offered to End War in 2022 If Ukraine Scrapped NATO Ambitions – Zelensky Party Chief

It might be felt that I therefore started the war in Ukraine because it happened 22 days after I joined PF,
but I couldn't have started it by joining PF because it actually started in 2014, and Jens Stoltenberg even said so:

 

This is just absurd.

 

1. False.
2. False.

 

Here is the thing; I don't care. Whether Russia is to blame or Ukraine, it's none of our business.

 

Russia disguised their 2014 aggression as a separatist insurgency.

 

1. See the thread topic.
2. Review your posts.

 

Sure, a "quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing."

 

1. Your track record
2. Done.

 

Sorry, but that's a non sequitur.

 

Heh, breaking it down:

1. See the thread topic.->1. Your track record
You have not addressed the thread topic

2. Review your posts. -> 2. Done.
This means I've done it

 

Yes, it should have been none of our business and neither Russia nor Ukraine is to blame.

The Biden supporters are trying to wriggle out of responsibility for starting the war in Feb 2014
when Biden/Clinton/Victoria Nuland started the conflict, Obama was criticized because the aid he
agreed to send was 'blankets', he would not get involved officially at least, maybe that Nobel prize
was in the way.

Then in 2021 with Trump gone, Biden in the Dems shipped over 300 million dollars in munitions
which allowed the UAF to bombard Donetsk with a much heavier bombardment and the Russians moved
defensive forces in along the Western side of Donetsk.

If we were winning then I guess the Dems would be happy to take responsibility for starting
the war, but it is another one we are losing, so by claiming Russia started it they can
dodge responsibility for starting another losing war.

 

Please see my #3.

 

It's pointless arguing with a neocon.

 

LOL...baseless claim if there ever was.

You're sounding desperate ...yang.

 

Lame response Mike.

 

The poster is calling me either a traitor or a Russian agent.





I think simply calling the entire thing absurd was about the most charitable thing I could do in the circumstances.

 

Maybe you are Mike.....no one knows these days.

I suspect there's a few well embedded posters here.....that may be sympathetic.

 

Lol, dude, Ukraine's constitution specifically stated that they had no immediate plans to join NATO. Do you know when and why that changed? Because fascist Russia invaded Ukraine. You know, the first time, not the second time.

This is the equivalent of a bully punching a kid in the park, and when the kid starts thinking about buying some stop-bullies-from-punching-me insurance, the bully punches again and blames him for it.

 

Because that would have likely meant also giving up the Balkans and other territory to Russia as well. They weren't going to stop at Ukraine. Honestly, short of COMPLETE global isolationism, I don't see how anyone can be against us aiding them.

 

Why are people so enthusiastic about trying to placate the Russians?

 

Because the RuZZkis pay well it seems....trouble is the fools don't realize that payments comes with "strings attached".

 

According to the OP there are:

If Russia isn't to blame and Ukraine isn't to blame, who is???

 

Victoria Nuland and her ilk. And yes, Bandera followers are to blame as well.

 

And absolutely ZERO proof of this.

 

.. is the one bombing Ukrainians?? I wasn't aware of that.

Bandera followers?? Who are they bombing??