What is it about Jew-Hating that the left finds so alluring?

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It seems I can't go 5 seconds these days without some new story of atrocious acts of antisemitism by the INTOLERANT left.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...scends-israeli-owned-restaurant-philadelphia/

    “An antisemitic mob has descended on Michael Solomonov’s falafel restaurant in Philadelphia. They demand a boycott of Jewish goods. Michael Solomonov is a James Beard Award-winning chef. He makes some of the best hummus outside Israel, as well as outstanding lamb and other dishes,” announced commentator David Frum as he shared video of the chant.

    What purpose does this serve? Going after a Jewish business owner in America is going to somehow magically affect the actions of the IDF? strange thinking there!

    It isn't just crazy civilians committing these acts. One of the most respected and worshiped politicians on the left, Rashida Talib has blatantly INCITED (yes, i know you all love that word) violence like this (and has been doing so openly for YEARS)

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67354706

    Michigan Democrat Rashida Tlaib was rebuked for her defence of the chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free".

    The resolution formally condemned her for "calling for the destruction of the state of Israel".

    Wow! Amazing a politician can get away with that sort of rhetoric due to her gender and race. SAD!!

    Then you have people in colleges of lefty students assaulting Jewish people just for, ummm, being Jewish. I thought this was the party of TOLERANCE. Nothing like a war to bring out the true colors in folks EH??

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ov...isemitism-this-school-year-survey-2023-11-29/

    Can someone from the left please advise what is so fun about hating Jews? I'm just curious. I'm still trying to figure out why they love to hate people for being straight, white and male so I don't think I'll ever figure out their pure unfettered hatred for the Jewish people. There must be a reason right? Is it because other lefties are doing it? Is it because you think David should have never defeated Goliath? Do you hate 7-branched candles? Is it that you hate Gefilte Fish? (i'm not a fan of that food either but I don't go around hating an entire religion over it)

    Please enlighten me on all the hate. It looks like this terrorist attack on the innocent people of Israel gave the left an excuse to no longer hide their Antisemitism anymore (it gives me some serious Deja Vu feelings of when the left was claiming Trump gave Republicans a reason to be openly racist).

    So why do ya'll hate these folks so much? I also find it HILARIOUS that you don't see Antisemitism on the right (even though the Jews are the ones that got J.C. killed). It looks to me like there is way more tolerance on the right. Is the right stupid for not jumping on the Jew hate band wagon? Please, enlighten me.


    Also, how can you be pro-hamas and then pretend to be pro LGBT? You can't support people that chuck homosexuals off rooftops and then pretend to be what the left calls "an ally". Just saying. I'm gonna need an answer to that question as well.

    Readyyyyyyyy...............GO!
     
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  2. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    It's pretty hilarious how they have been accusing the right of being Nazis and anti-semites for years but what we have here in the real world is this conflict explicitly showing you who they are.

    When people show you who they are, believe them..... It's not by accident...

    Their duplicitous mask has fallen completely off, once again exposing their allegations about the right as nothing more than mere projection
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    In most cases it’s not really about hate for Jews, but the perceived behavior of Israel. Liberals feel an impulse to protect the weak. Israel is strong and currently picking on the weak. Not Hamas, but rather civilians in Gaza. It is felt they are going beyond self defense. I am not sure why the right has such concern for 1200 Israelis dead but not 12,000 Gazans dead.

    If Israel had been more surgical and minimized civilian casualties, the world would have had more sympathy.
     
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  4. Lil Mike

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    I appreciate you providing a progressive take on this. Particularly since my theories on this closely intersects yours.

    "Liberals feel an impulse to protect the weak. Israel is strong and currently picking on the weak."


    There was a time when Jews were considered "the oppressed" and garnered sympathy from the left. That sort of slowly began to change as Israel succeeded as a nation, and had several military skirmishes with various Arab/Muslim armies and won them. So in the progressive matrix of oppressor/oppressed, Jews flipped from one category to another.

    The progressive movement is in a transition on this issue since the older generation, raised under the Jews-are-oppressed model, support Israel and have a lot of sympathy for Israel and Jews in general, but the newer generation, like the squad, regard them as the oppressive enemy. So while few office holding Democrats support the street protest signs that say "F- the Jews" and "Gas the Jews," eventually the older, Israel supporting generation will die out and the progressive movement will flip to making those signs part of their party platform.

    But that's a few years away.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    I agree with most of this, but things like "gas the jews" is not going to be mainstream liberal, just the odd extremist nut here and there. Being unsupportive of Israel and hoping for a 2-state solution would be more likely to be mainstream. Somewhat less mainstream would be the dissolution of Israel (not with their deaths, but rather them going elsewhere), which seems to be what Israel wants for their palestinian problem as well. Whether anybody will get exactly what they want.. Unlikely.
     
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    It's simple: the Jews control too much money in private hands.

    The communists have to destroy all competition against the government.
     
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    It already has. The pro-Hamas demonstrators are also flying Nazi Blood Flags.

    It's too late for you all to distance yourself from all this. You've defended it for too long, now.

    The pro-Hamas mobs are even holding mock trials and convicting people. What's that remind you of?
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    The loudest and most obnoxious members of a group don't necessarily speak for the overall group. They just make good fodder for misleading Fox News stories.
     
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    Not one thread condemning the pro-Hamas mobs has been started on this forum. Only lip service and back peddling.
     
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    What does Geo politics have to do with some psychopath destroying someone's restaurant in Philadelphia?

    I don't think it's about Israel and Hamas.
     
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    They are the public face of the group
    or CNN stories. I remember when Fred Phelps was running around with his anti gay bigotry. I'm a gay man myself and I was told how much I am like his group.

    Maybe people jump to conclusions more regarding their emotional state than what's actually happening.
     
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    Meh. Take your Orwellian claims of leftist's intolerance with you next time you go to take a poo and flush them down the toilet. You'll feel vastly better.

    For the record, you may want to check out the demographics of the US House and see whether it's the left or the right that has more Jewish members in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliation_in_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives
     
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    So every time a conservative says something crazy, the conservatives are required to post a thread disavowing them? Seems kind of silly. Just ignore the crazies unless they do something serious like threaten to/actually kill somebody for being palestinian/jewish.
     
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    Hmmm..."gas the jews" may seem like extreme crazy talk now, but Talib has already expressed support for "from the river to the sea..." which is kind of a cleaned up version of "gas the jews."

    As far as the two state solution goes, that's been a feature of US foreign policy on how to resolve the Israel-Palestinian situation almost my entire adult life. So it's already mainstream, but is likely to slip out of the mainstream in the future. River-to-the-sea will take it's place.
     
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    See? There's the lip service and deflection I'm talking about.

    You're coming with the usual Leftist schtick of, "Hamas did bad...but, but, but ISRAEL!!"
     
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    Absolutely right.

    Russia bombs a school: war crime.
    Syria targets hospital, w/ missiles: war crime.
    Israel attacks hospital/mosque:"self-defense."
     
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    This divide and conquer crap is not going to work because 'the left' is smarter than this. I am gay and you aren't even tempting me to take this bait here. I am 100% comfortable with Muslims, Jews, and Christians. I can see them allies or adversaries because I see them as individuals, not extensions of, or representatives for their faith.
     
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    Well the mainstream has been more like semi-unconditional support for Israel with only implied and untested limits. It's kind of like "gee it sure would be nice if you respected the muslim-majority areas of your country and granted them their own country, but here's a lot of money no strings attached." Maybe a finger wag when they make more settlements in muslim areas. The future would be more like they're their own country, not our vassal, and if they want money from us they have to respect the rights of other human beings.

    From the river to the sea is "dissolution of Israel," the less mainstream but not quite fringe position I mentioned. This does not have to be genocide any more than Israel clearing gaza of palestinians must be genocide. Though ethnic cleaning can certainly lead to genocide in either case and that's the fear with gaza, as Israel has the power to do either while the muslims do not.
     
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    That does not mean the left is smarter than this. It just means YOU are smarter then 97.4% of the left. Good for you, bad for the party you are trying to defend.
     
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    I see the resolution of these current contradictions between factions of progressives is resolving itself. As I stated, in the future this will resolve itself in the Palestinians favor, and from your statement, sooner rather than later.
     
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    Yet Israel didn't attack a hospital. Hamas did.
     
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    Israel is being as surgical as possible. When you have prepared for rape and terror for years and have tunneled under civilian populations, don't think it was done without the populous knowing. The whole premise of attack on October 7th was a violation of international law. Care has been given for civilians to leave because they sowed to the wind and were about to reap the whirlwind!
     
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    History really makes that impossible.
     
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    Yet there is no mention of Hamas attacking Israel targeting and murdering civilians, which started this is the first place.
    And if Palestine was so innocent, why do they allow Hamas to hide among them?
    Also, Israel has warned Palestinian's to get out before attacking. When does Hamas do this?
    It seems the only stance approved by the left for Israel is to do nothing as the left only calls for Israel to cease fire.
    So its a bit late to convince anyone that the left is only acting out because of what Israel has done.
     
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    Does that only work for the left because the left never gives that consideration to anyone else.
     
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