Maine strips Trump from the ballot, inflaming legal war over his candidacy

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  1. fullmetaljack

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    It is because the trials need to be over before the election,
     
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    No he does not have the right to give away secrets, they are not his. !!!!
     
  3. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    It's the Federal law that secretary of state in Maine declared Trump guilty of.

    There are also no laws giving states to enforce the 14th amendment.
     
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    yep, my thinking. I am not particularly a Trump fan, but figure left alone, he would not be elected, but in what amounts to fear based persecution it will backfire with unintended consequences; The Trump dominated GOP HAS OTHER MEANS TO SELECT Trump as their 2024 candidate, and if they do, it will not be possible to keep Trump off the 2024 ballot.
     
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    And don't forget these while your at it
    Trump is a planted Russian spy
    All Trumps computers are tied to Russian banks
    All Trumps loans are signed off by Russian Oligarchs
    Melania Trump was a prostitute
    Capitol police officer was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher
    We have a tape of Russian hookers peeing on Trump
    Trump fought with the Secret Service to commandeer the presidential limo
    Trump will be removed for the Emoluments clause
    It was an armed insurrection

    And blah blah blah blah blah[/QUOTE]

    Sure keep ignoring traitorous acts, like 1/6, I will remind you when Trump gets his :)
     
  6. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    States can't enforce federal law. My mistake.
     
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    I don't deny that it's a tight decision.

    But what should worry you, beyond Trump's disqualification, is that all the judges agree that he participated in an insurrection.
     
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    Which means nothing.
     
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    A rebellion doesn't have to be a crime.
    And removal from being viable to be on a ballot is not related to having been convicted of a crime.

    You're ignoring what the 14th says. A crime could be happening for an act, but it doesn't matter in regards to the 14th.
    Engaging, is the word in the 14th.
     
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    But, "rebellion" IS a crime...lol
     
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    And let what the Roe v Wade did for the Democrats in 2022, this will surely shore his base up. Even seeing the needle move on the minority side of the equation which has always been staunchly Democrat.

    Democrats Really Are Losing Ground with Minorities
     
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    It is disturbing how fast progressives are ready to do away with constitutional rights to stop Trump.

    What has them so upset? Don't they think that can beat Trump in November? I think they can, but I guess when they look at the corrupt, senile, old man they are running for president, they are getting scared.
     
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    You internet lawyers keep skipping this section of the 14th amendment.. Let me repost it so maybe.. Just maybe you can read what the VERY first section of the 14th amendment reads.

    SECTION 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
     
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    Apparently they do not think he can even win the primaries, hence they took his opponents of the ballots in Florida.
     
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    Maybe they are afraid that if there is an election between Biden and Trump, they are worried Trump might get more votes.
    (That would be very embarrassing and pop a hole in their narrative that the majority of voters always vote for Democrats in the United States)

    By taking Trump off the ballot in several Democrat states, they can reduce the number of total votes Trump will appear to get in the statistics, even though it will probably have little to no effect on the outcome of the election.

    The thing about Maine though is that state has a unique system where it's not a winner take all system, like it is in most states, in the presidential election. Many elections the Republicans are able to get one vote from Maine in the Electoral College, even though three votes go to the Democratic Party candidate.
     
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    Beating Trump is secondary to playing by the Constitution. It may very well be that disqualifying Trump may lose the general election for the Democrats.

    No matter. Someone who lent aid to an insurrection should be busting rocks at Leavenworth , not running for President.
     
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    Can you tell me how many people have been convicted of insurrection?
     
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    Being disqualified doesn't take away any constitutional right.

    Unless you consider it unconstitutional to be at least 35 years old and born in the US.
     
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    No, those are not unconstitutional... however being convicted of a crime without a charge or trial is emphatically unconstitutional and violates your 5th, 6th and 14th amendment.
     
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    Sure;

    “Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, 39, of Miami, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 32, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 39, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, were found guilty of seditious conspiracy and conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. The four defendants and co-defendant Dominic Pezzola, 45, of Rochester, New York, were also found guilty of obstruction of an official proceeding, conspiracy to prevent Members of Congress and federal law enforcement officers from discharging their duties, civil disorder, and destruction of government property. Pezzola was also found guilty of assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers and robbery involving government property.”

    See previous post….
     
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    LoL

    Trump hasn't been found guilty of anything.

    The judges determined that he had taken part in an insurrection and disqualified him as a candidate.

    Trump's case is heard, even though he has repeatedly said he intends to offer pardons to rioters convicted of sedition.

    If that's not lending comfort to insurrectionists, I wonder what is.
     
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    Which candidates? Be specific.
     
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    So, every single person at the Capitol on J6 is guilty of a crime?
     
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    Checks and balances. Doesn't have authority to do so. Take your pick.
     

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